Why didn't Tyson use any head movement in the Buster Douglas fight?

Even the great Ali was beatable let alone Tyson. It is pretty pathetic on your part to resort to name calling in desperate attempts to force your opinion across.

 

Yeah, and the Earth is flat

 

Hahahaha if you think Douglas was badly hurt and serious trouble you need therapy! :rofl

 

Yep. You're right. It was a flash knockdown. Probably off-balance. Hence he jumped up instantly with no wobble at all.

youtube.com/watch?v=gHcbFUTIslI

 

He took the count like a professional, and no he wasn't wobbling at all, he was that hurt the next round he came out and battered Tyson

 

The count Douglas took remains a talking point to this day, but I'm not entirely sure why. I don't see the controversy.

Tyson stunned Douglas with a vicious little uppercut inside, and to me Douglas looked hurt. Not on ***** street, but the punch did hurt him.
But you can see him (Douglas) punch the canvas in frustration, so I think he was perfectly conscious, but tired.
I think he should have taken the count on one knee, as opposed to lying on his side like that since plenty of fighter's legs have betrayed them at the critical moment.

I know technically he was down for 10 seconds and Meyran blundered the count, but the fighter has only got to listen to the count of the ref, anything else is irrelevant.

I think he could have gotten up sooner had he wished to, although he definitely looked tired. But at the same time, it was no flash knockdown. Douglas looked somewhat hurt to me.

 

I never understood the cornerwork excuse. Nobody pulled their names out of a hat and assigned them to Tyson. He had complete control over things like how hard he did or didn't work in training camp, who trained him, who worked the corner, etc.

If he chose yes men who wouldn't push him harder or who weren't top-notch cornermen, that's on him. It's not something perpetrated on him, it still comes back to his choices and his work ethic and his hubris.

As noted, it's not like he was 10 or 20 pounds overweight. He was well within his in-good-shape range. Buster had more to do with Tyson losing than anything else. He was absolutely brilliant.

On the topic of whether a Tyson from another year or a different point in his career could beat Douglas, we'll never know and it doesn't make a tinker's damn. You beat the guy in front of you, not some mythical version of him.

 

:happy:happy:happy:happy

 

Why keep saying he looked a good weight when we know he crash dieted & weakened himself? And he did not look at all like he usually did, energy, work rate, endurance, head movement or combinations.

Now Tyson is completely responsible for the lack of training, & while professional men can betray a fighter, whoc cannot expect to know just who is best all the time, that was not the difference.

Tyson lost due to his own poor work ethic & mental instability.

But he was not nearly what he had been, & there is no reason to believe Douglas, as laudable as his effort was, could beat a peak Tyson. Tyson would have finished him, & if Douglas was clearly better, a quite sub-par Tyson would not have hurt him.

 

That's the thing we don't know that he crash dieted, can you show me something to prove this?? He did not look himself because Douglas put it on him like nobody before from the opening bell.

Tyson lost because Douglas used the right gameplan and had his number end of!

The man was 23 for Christ sake and still in his prime. There's no reason to believe after that fight, that if they fought 10 times Tyson would prevail at least once, such was the complete domination. Tyson dropped him because that's what happens in fights and Mike is a big puncher.

 

Regarding his condition...it's not that relevant. Well, it is of course ultimately, but what is more telling was where his mind was at, which clearly wasn't on the fight.

Douglas came in prepared for war and Tyson did not. That said, that is Tyson's fault and I've never liked making excuses for fighters, many of those excuses being offered by themselves or on their behalf being spurious anyway. Same goes for Lennox, for Wlad for Duran etc. They lost to a better man on the night and that is that.
Same applies to Tyson.

 

Well if Tyson wasn't prepared for a war before the bell he sure has hell would have been after the first round.

Every fighter who has ever lost will have an excuse for their defeat. Berbick said he was drugged for the Tyson loss, Holyfield had heart problems which the good lord miraculously healed all by himself. Fact is Tyson was beat by the better fighter on the night and IMO there's not one little bit of hope after such a terrible pasting that he would have ever beaten Douglas who had the tools and the game plan to prevail!!

 

Douglas got more aggressive when Tyson was not,

It is no EXCUSE for the fighter to explain why he lost. That does not make it OK that he lost, his own fault. But you cannot conflate this with a lock down assumption Tyson wouls normally lose, & no, when guys are dominating, they do not normally get caught like this. Even someone like Louis who kept getting off the canvas to win suffered mostly flash KDs.

His phsyical condition is of course relevant too. Many times guys are not at their sharpest mentally but still have enough to win or finish a man.

IF Tyson looks & acts completely different or very reduced in a fight, it makes no sense to assume Douglas would always, or usually, beat him.

I never heard anyhone deny that Tyson crash dieted before the fight.
I do not have primary sources offhand, anyone who likes can provide if they have.
I do not think it is a lie, nor inconsistent with his lack of training & dissipated lifestyle.

Scmelling beat Louis who took him lightly, if they never fought again would you assume Schmelling had his number? He had a flaw, + Louis was not sharp.

 

But to be fair, Googling around here is some evidence against my/the above position. [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4903834[/url]

Here is am intriguing summary of the fight & aftermath via a Good Book it seems:

[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=nJ-mktFBQ5cC&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=tyson+dieted+before+douglas+fight&source=bl&ots=KYB6kmY0cX&sig=0BIJJat25ifVwicYbyrRxU-Q0BE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uKzMU5G_CdagyAS214GwDw&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=tyson%20dieted%20before%20douglas%20fight&f=false[/url]

 

Thanks at least your man enough to admit you might be wrong about the condition Tyson was in for the fight unlike some certain fans on here.