Why didn't Tyson-Witherspoon happen, and how would it go down?

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  1. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    What did Holy look like befor he fought Tyson against Bobby Czye
     
  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    Yes your correct..i misinterpreted the question and got off track. Thanks for this
     
  3. sauhund II

    sauhund II Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What part of being inactive sitting in jail stamping license plates eating crap food with no opportunity to box for close to four years do you not understand ?

    Post prison Tyson was a shell of his former glory ......timing,defense, elusiveness stamina, combos,setting the other guy up.....was all gone, he strictly relied on power,chin and intimidation but hated his craft and worked strictly off talent alone.

    Holyfield was always blowing hot and cold. stretched by Stewart, Cooper, troubled by Grandpa Holmes, made it needless difficult against Fossil Foreman, got beaten from pillar to post from a green Bowe...........Holyfield was a over achiever who was never the "Man" at Heavy vs Mike Tyson was a underachiever who electrified the division until he self destructed.........next to Ali most likely the best Heavy enigma in a century.

    I used to think Atlas is a straight up jealous Tyson hater but now I am convinced that he is pissed that Tyson did not full fill his god given talent and squandered it all away while barely getting started........that a fighter as talented as Tyson just threw it away while guys like Holyfield work their butts off to get to the top but cannot sustain because for lack of top tier god given gifts.
     
  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    See above post
     
  5. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't see it. Not an inspired Tim. That Bonecrusher rematch was just ridiculous. In a way Tim blew his chances by being so inconsistent on that one. I don't feel sorry for him. He had chances to be a better fighter.
     
  6. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis was old, Tyson was old in their fight. Lewis arguably had at least as much mileage as Mike...perhaps more because of the prison time.

    There are again, not excuses for either of them. They were both past their prime...hell, Lewis was OLDER than Mike!

    Having said that, I do think Mike would have given the pre-Steward Lewis a much better fight (maybe even knocked him cold).
     
  7. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis may have been past his best but Tyson in 2002 was totally shot. Don’t make any difference what their actual ages were. Fighters all age, peak and decline differently in their careers. Lewis fought a Tyson that had won the title 16 years before they met. Tyson won the title in 1986 as a 20 year. What was Lewis doing as a 20 year old? Some say Tyson was at his absolute best between 86-88. Lewis was still an amateur then and wouldn’t even have his first pro fight until 89. So to say that because Lewis was actually older than Tyson that that means that it’s just an excuse to say that Tyson lost because he was old and past his prime is just outright crazy.
     
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  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pretty simple, really.

    Tim would have fought Tyson in a unification, but Spoon was stopped in about 90 seconds and had his teeth knocked out by Smith.

    Nobody thought much of Tim Witherspoon again until 1990 or 1991, when Tyson had already lost the title. And when Witherspoon got close to fighting Michael Moorer, who had moved up, Spoon lost to Bigfoot Martin.

    Spoon went the distance with Holmes (and lost), with Tubbs (and won), with Thomas (and lost), with Williams (and won), with Golota (and lost) and was stopped by Savarese.

    Against Tyson, Holmes lasted less than four, Tubbs lasted less than two, Thomas lasted less than six, Golota a full two, Williams lasted 90 seconds, Savarese lasted 30 seconds, ... so odds are Witherspoon survives a couple minutes. Or maybe a round or two.

    Witherspoon had zero heart. If he wasn't knocked unconscious, he'd have quit.
     
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  9. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is a reason why guys like Dempsey, Marciano and Frazier all retired at the age of 32. Those swarmer type fighters don't age well and Tyson was well past his sell by date.

    Lewis was older but he was far more potent and it was clear just watching the fight how much each of them had left in the tank.
     
  10. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fighter vs. fighter and level of skill Mike should knock out George in 2 or 3 rounds. But stylistically. I might pick George to be honest. The style was all in favor of George, which is why he wanted to fight Mike so much.
     
  11. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Then why did he turn it down?

    "Neither Duva nor Finkel was available for comment yesterday. Foreman, however, drew little sympathy from King or his advisers.

    "George tried to be a 'cutie-pie' and got outfoxed," said King's matchmaker, Al Braverman.

    "We had offered him $20 million to fight Tyson and he turned it down. That was his biggest boo-boo. Plus he was guaranteed $10 million for two other fights on HBO this year. Actually, I think George was afraid of getting his butt kicked by Tyson."


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  12. Hookie

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    He fell out with Don King, King would not allow it.
     
  13. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think this had a lot more to do with it than anything else. Look at the lengths Witherspoon (said he) went to in order to dump King. If he wasn't talking out his ass, that was pretty indicative of King's striking unpopularity with certain fighters.

    George said he was more afraid of Don King than Tyson, and I believe and sympathize with that.
     
  14. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson was the unified HW champion two years before Lewis turned pro.

    By the time he fought Lewis over 14 years later, he had taken beatings against Douglas and Holyfield in the first fight.

    Lewis had suffered two one punch anniliations, but had never taken sustained punishment in any fight.

    Tyson definitely had sustained more mileage and was much further removed from his prime form than was Lewis.

    I find it hard to believe that any knowledge able, unbiased observer would claim Lewis had as much mileage as Tyson at the time they fought. So, you are either biased, lacking insight, or both.
     
  15. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Neither fighter is a favorite of mine, so no bias. I do seem to have been lacking insight, however, and can see that your points are totally valid, thanks for the correction.

    What I meant to press was the fact that Lewis was older than Mike, but ultimately that pales in comparison to the points you made.

    I still think prime Mike would have knocked out pre-Steward Lewis. I don't pick Mike at all after Steward entered the picture, including the former on his best day.
     


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