why didn't ward took the bute fight?

That would be good assertion except that Ward himself said the winner should face Bute before backpedallind.

 

So were going to sit and believe Ward ducked the hype job Bute and that he was scared of him? I doubt it. Hype jobs never last long and Ward isnt a hype job. Hes 1 or 2 P4P best in the world. And keep in mind I'm a Froch fan.

 

atsch Off course confidence is important but no amount of confidence will carry you to top level if you dont have the skill for it!!! Wlad for example isnt overly confident but his skills carry him...
Look at Broner very confident and Maidana beat him up because of his lack of skill just as MAB did to Hamed, as they say skills pay the bills, if you are really good top notch fighter you will come back after losing because with skill you have real healthy confidence not being deluded like Broner.
If you lose your confidence after 1 loss you were never truly confident were you, anyone that truly believes in himself doesnt give up after one set back(loss).

 

LOL.
Those two spaghetti benders (Meatballs) go together like Peanut butter and Jelly. :yep

 

This guy has got to be drunk, lmmfao. Look who he listed under Bute's wins lol. I stopped reading after Bika's name under Bute's comp lmao.

 

Who is the best fighter Bute has fought so far, lmao.

Who were those 5 fighters Bute had beaten in title fights? You must be sniffin.

 

He didn't take the fight cuz hunter was in his ear all perv sounding like, "come on baby we don't need this fight. Come on baby relax. We get em. We show em we the best baby. Have a drink of water. There u go baby. Now relax, relax. We got this".

 

just reading the comments of BlizzyBlizz...

you're one deluded poster, man. your reality is absolutely warped.

every word you're saying is bull****.

don't waste your time on this Troll.

 

Regardless of this, this has nothing to do with why Ward didnt face Bute, which is the thread.
At the time Bute had the confidence he doesnt appear to have now, which would have made him a tougher fight.

With regards to the undefeated fighter part, it affects fighters differently, but you walked right into my point when you said after a loss Bute folded, so I am correct that he lost that undefeated fighters confidence. Now you agree .
As for Cleverly, I dont know how you have yet drawn that conclussion when he hasnt fought again yet?
But you also mentioned Wlad and although he is a great champ that can dominate, he does not seem to have the same confidence to take a shot after the heavy KO loss to C Saunders, which once again proves my point

 

Shame you did stop as after Bika there are 2 other fighters that held or went on to win SMW titles

Out of the 5, 1 was Berrio the IBF SMW champ and another was a #3 SMW (Andrade).
Remember this was just as Ward was becoming a SMW champ, so to say Bute wasnt worthy looks ridiculous and its not as if Wards first 3 defences were of a much different level overall to Butes, especially considering one was a Bute victim

I find it amusing that he cannot answer any counter point

 

I think FilipMNE is going off a bit trying to justify his comment and now realising how wrong he was, and is trying to backpeddle

Who said Bute was an ATG?
We noted how some fighters lose their undefeated confidence and Bute appears to be one of those fighters.
I mentioned D Curry who was a top P4P fighter and that it could be thought he was not the same after a loss.
It happens sometimes Filip. Not always but some fighters are not the same after a loss and that is how it looks with Bute, no more, no less.
But as noted before, this has nothing to do with Ward not facing Bute when he was champ.

Is it possible that Ward lacks the confidence to face an undefeated world champ with that undefeated fighters confidence? We dont know, but we do know that when Ward had the chance to face Bute, he didnt seem interested. Is it possible that Butes speed and power were a concern? Ward does not appear interested in another fighter due to him being a friend (Andre Dirrell), who has speed and power.
Did Ward ever try and travel like Bute did for a big fight? That could be a sign of confidence, whichever way it is looked at.

 

Often with fighters called hype jobs, they have to be faced and beaten for that to often be said and Ward was not interested in Bute at that time.
Tell me what undefeated world champs Ward beat.
Tell me what bigger fight there was for Ward then because Dawson wasnt.

You note Ward as a top P4P fighter when his biggest win is arguably Kessler, who was a past best, unwell, double vision suffering fighter who had not been overly active, who before facing Ward hadnt beaten a top SMW for around 3 years and who was beaten by the old champ and all that was over 4 years ago and in my opinion the division is not in a strong era. Could that not be classed as hype?
I dont think Ward is hype, but I would like to see him face a prime top fighter and cannot work out all of the praise as of yet as the division is not strong

 

Ward lacks the confidence lol yeah sure to face paper belt holder, there is so many belts and paper champion it means jack **** that Bute was undefeated.
Kell Brook is undefeated beating nobodies for 10 years so he has undefeated confidence :huh if he had confidence he would step up already, i told you 10 times its who you faced Brooks 0 is totally irrelevant and meaningless while Bradley and Garcia are relevant because they actually faced very good fighters not because they have 0 on their record.
Bute lost when he stepped up, how did he got KTFO when he had undefeated confidence :think then he again faced Pascal who is level above fighters he used to beat up so he lost again not because he wasnt undefeated but because he never belong on that level he never did beat fighter of top level, did he prove he belong on top level ever?? NO while the best fought each other he fought in Canada and then stepped up and got KTFO while being undefeated paper belt holder :rofl

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You dont realise how daft you sound now having agreed and now trying to wriggle out. Even in this post alone you self pwn with

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Whos talking about elite?
We are talking about confidence that can go with some fighters when they lose their 0.
I cant believe you wrote something like an undefeated fighter full of confidence getting beat, as if that is to mean anything. Many fighters get beat and it is how they come back, but some fighters when they get beat, never fully come back, which is the point of how another poster mentioned to you about some of it being a mental issue. Yet you in a stuck moment made a comment as if Bute could never be beat because he had an 0 atsch.
Do you think Bute has looked the same after losing to Froch as he did in his fights after? Do you not think Bute seems more concerned about what is coming his way than before? If you say you think Bute looks exactly the same then you really are having a wind up .
Not sure why you are going on about other fighters as the subject is why Ward didnt face Bute and that cannot be brushed over or what I noted about Ward not facing an undefeated champ.
Was P4P #1 Curry not elite at the time when he was undefeated champ? Cant wait for you to answer.

 

When you posted Joppy as in William Joppy...I lost all respect for your boxing knowledge. Ain't nothing to talk about anymore. The above written is grade A top of the line garbage. You should be banned for this effort.