why didn't ward took the bute fight?

the intense training began When Carl Froch was just a young lad
apart from the cycling,swimming and runs he began hardening his face by tapping his nose and chin with a small teaspoon , sometimes for half an hour and sometimes longer 1 or 2 hours straight, depending
on what other chores he had to do that day.
(He was always very determined in life to do great things)
Along the years the tapping on the nose became harder and
the teaspoon got replaced with a slightly bigger teaspoon
, and then later a regular spoon ,big spoon,a very big spoon ... by the time Carl Froch had aged into a man the spoon turned into a frying pan
..the face had become indestructable! and he did not require any splitseconds to shrug of the effect of the numerous blows he absorbed in sparring

i will get back to this later

Froch has explained that he didnt see george as any serious threat and didnt feel the mentality he usually does when preparing for fights
fx when he would usually run 10 15 miles sprint,jog, and uphill he would stop after 5 thinking "its only george, i dont need this"
and so he would conclude with alot of the exercises, even skip his most cherished one " rachel softly smacking carl in his face with the frying pan "
this excersize usually lasts up to 3 hours but before the kessler rematch Carl did this at least 5 hours 3 times a week to prepare himself... however this got skipped mostly due to rachel being too lazy to wash the frying pan while thinking "its only george"

lets not forget that carl still put on an impressive performance after getting up from what seemed to be a devastating punch! He then continued for another 9 rds absorbing everything george could manage to throw and then stopping george groves with a barrage of venomous punches that would have sent george to the hospital and maybe towards another career if it continued and foster hadnt stepped in when he did . Some people say that the crowd was angry at froch and boo'ing him after the fight , im pretty sure was mainly people upset with Howard Fosters call to stop it and had nothing to do with Carl (he put on a great show of true grit and heart as he took gassy groves to deep waters) people wanted the fight to go on of course they paid to see it and some referee stops it , i would have boo'ed as well but not at froch ..just out of frustration =)
of course there was a pack of drunken londoners there
to support groves booing at froch

Carl Froch is a true born Gladiator
if u disagree, you're a pathetic hater
to me froch is number 1 p4p
actually entertains the fight fans
keeps his hands low like a boss
never made the chicken dance
comes back stronger from a loss
made it his mission to fight the best in the division

implying that froch is not P4P is ludacris , what has ward (current p4p nr 2?) done apart from headbutt kessler into a bad stoppage
struggle with abraham (who froch took apart without getting out of 2nd gear) and then edge a win over froch who was coming on strong in the late rounds where ward seemed to tire. what has ward done ?
not to mention ward has fought all his significant fights in the USA with everything in his favour, not once stepping out of his comfort zone...also
postponing the super6 final due to a minor scratch on his forehead , and then claiming he fought the final with a broken hand ... wouldnt that be more of a reason to reschedule the fight???

-Froch hasnt lost a fight since fighting ward
(and that wasnt loosing it was more like a failure to crack the safecode/ find the solution to the puzzle of wards hit and run/hold tactics Zzzzz )
-He Defeated Kessler in a rematch , showed vast improvement both in tactics and accuracy
-He Destroyed Bute who even Ward was afraid of facing unless he could have everything in his favour (same old story)
dont forget the Mack attack (even though thats not a big name as the ones stated above)

I think Froch deserves his rematch with ward on his own turf this time, lets see if ward can do better against a Froch on his A game than Kessler did
on the British soil with a loud crowd not chanting "USA USA USA" or "SOG SOG SOG" their ancestors and the queen of england behind them instead of
waving star spangled banners

lets say a ward froch clash in UK would produce 10 million $
In the UK this matchup would be a different scenario with a decent ref sorting things out . Its well known how prone Ward is to use questionable tactics..

(excessive holding/clinching, headbutts, elbows, armlocks,low blows)

Ward is like a combination of Bernard Hopkins skillset and slickness & Andre Dirrell's alertness and footspeed all this along with the Sven Ottke
hometown record/ref/judges and loud (but kinda small) crowd

I dont think Andre Ward is necessarily afraid, but i think he is a smart guy and fights like a chameleon ******-goat..
and he knows what will happen if he goes to the lions den

he cant keep going in circles (maybe he can, but it will bite himself in the ass) so lets continue poking Ward and adressing the subject
..at some point (hopefully 2014/15) this fight will happen, im definitely going to watch it live just like i went to see Kessler II in 02

Ward shouldnt be so greedy, he’s used to making peanuts so if he gets 2 out of those 10 million he should be happy
,especially since most claim he would beat froch easy anytime thus making it an easy payday… hell, he could make a trip to the UK
once every month! this way Froch could actually get to fight ward 10 times and see how many times ward gets Ktfo

personally im certain froch would win 10/10
Ward was just lucky the first time

alternatively he could probably convince kessler to wait with his retirement if he would come to denmark for a rematch, that would also produce a similar
amount of $$$

again im certain ward would get KtfO due to Kessler bringing his A-game and getting a ref that doesnt allow holding etc

or he could have a small time fight with adonis stevenson , andre dirrell, or anthony dirrell
( i doubt this would produce nearly as much $) but even this is too scary for him…

or maybe take on Bute allthough his 0 was taken by froch allready

theres plenty of interesting fights for him to pick , but he rather
take on kelly pavlik , (even though pavlik is buisy most saturdays getting wasted he might be
persuaded to find one in his calendar) ,Dimitri Sartison, and hes considering fighting someone
smaller than him from lower weight classes…i mean cmon, coward ranked #1???

 

Why would he be scared of Bute??? Froch made Bute his *****. Bute's chin is pure eggshell.

 

SOB Ward did not know that Bute could be beaten by Froch, at the time Bute looked very good. Ward refused to allow Bute to fight in his personal tournament, that's why Ward always got his way, his referee, judges, boxing commission in his home town. All other had to travel.....................Ward has still not answered Stevenson's call out..................

 

what has being the man have to do with selling out a bingo hall?

 

ward got hometown fights in the super six because promoters were jostling for position against opponents they felt were a bigger threat

saying "at the time bute looked very good" doesn't mean a whole lot, since he was looking good against b-grade opponents

 

Makes no sense to me either.

Is it your position that Bute would have won?

 

Cropboxer

Since Bute's top opponent of the time was ban old semi-retired Glen Johnson followed by a mediocre Magee, any fool should realize tge odds of Bute being a fraud were heavily in Ward's favor.

Under such circumstances it is usual and appropriate to send out the #2 guy to test the waters before you call on your elite troops (Ward).
As it turned out, Bute was so bad that even the number 3 & 4 guys (Kessler & AA) were good enough to expose Bute as being a fake. :yep

 

It's not a matter of what beating Bute could have done for Ward that beating Kessler and Froch couldn't, its a matter of what Bute could have added to Ward's legacy and reputation.

Bute was the only top fighter in the Super Middleweight division who had not been invited to compete in the Super Six, Ward himself had recognized that Bute's exclusion meant that the Super Six winner could not claim to be the division's best unless they fought Bute, and further Bute was bring the IBF Title to the table. Defeating Bute would have cemented Ward's place as undisputed King of the division and would have allowed him to claim that he had cleared the division of all credible challenge, and it would have allowed him to pick up the IBF Title.

Instead Ward turned Bute down who then turned to Froch, and Froch - who had fallen behind Ward, Bute and Kessler in the Super Middleweight rankings - used Bute to resurrect his standing in the division and off the back of beating Bute became rated #1 Super Middleweight and people were arguing the case for him to be in the top 10 P4P.

I cannot see how the argument can be made that defeating Bute after the Super Six would add nothing to Ward's legacy or reputation. Bute was, after all, the longest reigning active champion in the division who had been consistantly rated the division's #1 or #2 fighter since 2008. If Ward had fought him Bute may not have been Ward's best opponent but only Froch, Kessler and Dawson would be ahead of him in that regard.

 

"Isn't exactly slowing down"? In 2008 he had three fights, in 2009 he had he had three, in 2010 he had two and in 2011 he had two. There were nine month between his fight with Froch and his fight with Dawson, and it was over a year before he had his next fight with Rodriguez. I cant remember the last time I heard or read a story about him trying to make another fight. I think it's safe to say that Ward's career currently has stalled if not come to a grinding halt.

 

Shall we look at some other things Ward said?

Ward claiming Bute was the the division's best and the Super Six winner should fight him:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2011-05-12-andre-ward_N.htm

Ward insists he's not looking past the tournament but thinks the winner should fight Bute (28-0, 23 KOs), who was not invited into the Super Six. "Some people would argue that the Super Six winner is the best; some would argue that Bute wasn't there so they're not the best," Ward says. "As a competitor, you want to face the best. He's the main guy out there, so you want to go right at him."

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Ward complaining that Bute signed to fight Froch after Ward had turned the fight down:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/chris_mannix/04/10/ward-bute-froch/

"I was disappointed," Ward said. "Bute and his promoter were screaming and yelling that I was ducking them, then they go and make a two-fight deal with Froch where if he loses, he takes Froch back to Canada? I didn't understand that. I was never ducking him, I just wanted to build up the fight. I was coming off two years of grueling fights and I felt he needed to fight someone. But ducking him? Come on. He wants belts, I have three belts over here if he wants to fight for a belt."

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That pretty much sums up the whole situation perfectly. Everybody at the time including Ward knew Bute was the next top contender as Ward had beaten everyone else that mattered in the super 6. Yet Ward made a horrible decision to take 6 months out after his hand healed and allowed his biggest available pay day slip away and into Froch's hands.

I still don't think it was an outright duck. I just think Ward wanted time off and some easy defences before building up to Bute, expecting Bute to remain undefeated. But that proved to be a horrible decision.

 

Its odd. Ward felt the S6 winner should face Bute. It was the biggest SMW fight that could be made. Bute had looked more impressive against common opponents in general, had, had more fights against top 10 comp, more world title fights and would have been considered Wards biggest win had he taken it and won.
Fighting Bute, Ward would have been doing something he hadnt and still hasnt done by facing a top undefeated SMW/Undefeated world champ.

I get the impression many Ward fans were pleased when Bute was beaten, but nobody knows how Ward would have done against a rejuvinated Froch in Nottingham at home rather than a fatigued Froch who had been on the road in 5 of his last 6 fights. Ward didnt try and travel like that, and as I recall reading Bute was willing to travel for the fight.

 

bute tried to earn his shot at ward - earn - by facing froch
he was found out and disappeared like a fart in the wind

bute should be your poster child for leaving all those bogus paper belts and champs behind, not the cornerstone of your argument

 

It wasn't a decision to take time off. His bust hand kept him out of the ring.
He couldn't of fought Bute either way.

 

His broken hand was given the all clear in Feb 2012 so he had a 6 month gap where he didn't do anything. He could have easily been the fighter to fight Bute instead of Froch in the summer of 2012. He said he would take a break after the super 6 and he did, 3 months to recover from the broken hand, then 6 months doing nothing. It was a wasted opportunity.

I just hope he makes up for the lost time once he has resolved his promotional issues. He's too good a fighter to be wasting his prime like this.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2012/02/andre-wards-injured-left-hand-healed-receives-medical-clearance-to-begin-training/