Why didn't Wlad go for the WBC belt after Vitali retired

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  1. Matt0029

    Matt0029 Member Full Member

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    Anyone know why this didn't happened Vitali retired in 2012-2013? Was there no talk of Wladimir going for the undisputed after that?
     
  2. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Wilder ducked him. Hard.

    This is what Finkle said when asked about Wlad:

    “Look, (Wilder) is a baby winning the title. It was his first title fight, they'll be a time for unification, they'll be a time for all those things, he could go and Povetkin (the No. 2 contender) in Russia and make $10 million,”

    Finkel said to the Tuscaloosa News. “It's not the right thing yet. Give him a couple of fights, maybe bring something back to Alabama. Let him develop just like any other athlete. They don't take someone who is a great college prospect and throw him right in. And this kid is a great prospect.”

    So Wilders best win is now sixty seven old Ortiz.
     
  3. LenHarvey

    LenHarvey Active Member Full Member

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    Wilder held that belt hostage after beating Stiverne
     
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  4. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. banned Full Member

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    The WBC ordered a vacant title fight between Stiverne and Arreola. And Wilder was set as the mandatory. Once Wilder had the belt, his team immediately made a public statement that he was not ready for Wladimir.
    Wlad then lost to Fury, which was the same year that Wilder beat Stiverne.

    Wlad had a very brief window to try and make that fight, but it was clearly not going to happen.
     
  5. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    Wilder didn’t hold it hostage…that’s just a haters way of wording it.

    wilder won the title and didn’t go for undisputed in his first or 2nd defence so these guys say he held it hostage.

    Wilders team wanted a couple defences first, then wlad lost the title the same year.

    People behave like when fighters win their first world title they go to unify for undisputed straight away!
    Who has done that?
     
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  6. Claude

    Claude Member Full Member

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    There’s a video that goes in depth about it.
    This content is protected

    Start at 16:33
    Long story short, wladimir tried to force wilder to fight by becoming mandatory, so he booked a fight with then top 3 WBC contender bryant jennings. Magically, Jennings was completely removed from the rankings and Eric molina, who was ranked 26, suddenly became top 9. Wilder still struggled, and took 9 rounds to stop molina, which should tell you why the fight never happened. Deontay wouldn’t have stood a chance, and the organisation knew it, so they actively protected him.
     
  7. Matt0029

    Matt0029 Member Full Member

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    Thanks why did the WBC protect him? They wanted an American champion?
    Also was the Jennings fight in the USA? If so wladimir was probably trying to push the route to wilder and build abit of a profile in the USA. Seem to remember Wladimir didn't look great against Jennings
     
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  8. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    lol people talk some right nonsense.

    wlad was not trying to become mandatory for wilder at all….wlad was a champion, they don’t get rankings or mandatory shots given to them.
    People just spew lies to create agendas
     
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  9. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    They didn’t!
     
  10. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We shouldn't degrade a win against a man who fought bare knuckle with Sam Langford and Joe Jeanette.
     
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  11. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. banned Full Member

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    Brian Castaño.
    Paul Butler.

    I am sure there were more during the 3 belt era.

    Julius Indongo won the IBF belt off of Troyanovsky, then immediately unified with Ricky Burns, and followed that up with another unification vs Crawford.
    Marlon Tapales was previously a champion, but once he regained championship status, he immediately unified with Inoue.
     
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  12. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    So VERY VERY few.

    if we are looking at all weight divisions, there have been 100’s of champions and you name 3 to unify as their first defence?

    So was all the other newly crowned champs duckers holding belts hostage for not unifying straight away?

    Ironic, but none of the 3 you mentioned won their unification either so maybe it was a bit too much too soon. They should have had a better manager.

    fact check- indongos first fight after winning belt was again a burns who was on a comeback trail after losing 2 or 3 times and now being beltless. it was no unification.
    indongo must have been a ducker too like wilder and every other champ, including Crawford and burns.
     
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  13. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Fun fact: Luis Ortiz taught John L Sullivan everything he knew.
     
  14. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Wilder’s first four title defenses were all optional fights against absolutely mediocre opponents. Wilder wasn’t ever going to fight Wlad even if he beat Fury.
     
  15. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    The Wilder Bodyguard Council ensured Windmill kept the belt.