Why didn't Wlad go for the WBC belt after Vitali retired

In your quote from finkle it literally says “couple of fights”

 

there was no active WBC champ until Stivern vs Arreola in 2015 for the vacant belt, Wladamir could not fight for it not being eligible for a WBC ranking because he held the other belts so he had no way to fight for it until the WBC cleaned up their mess and declared a new champion as soon as that happened Wladamir started trying to make the fight. December 15, 2013 is the day Vitali retired and relinquished the belt why the WBC dragged their feet in crowning a new champ.

 

Looks like the WBC was at fault then and Wlad couldn't be assed with their BS.

 

How are you sure AJ would of offered more money then Wilder with the PBC backing him did they not believe in him enough to even try to make those fights instead of piddling around against bums?

As for Whyte not ever being a mandatory, due to suspension following a failed A sample on a drug test. The sample provided prior to Whyte's action packed win over Rivas failed at the lab. Whyte would maintain his innocence, and as is his rights he requested the B sample be tested. Whilst awaiting the results on the B sample the WBC promoted fellow Brit, Tyson Fury to mandatory position, a move which puzzled everyone including Fury.

"A few days later, a news report made public that an out-of-competition urine sample collected by UKAD (UK Anti-Doping) on June 20, 2019 from Dillian Whyte had yielded an adverse finding.

"In light of that adverse finding, and pending the outcome of the WBC’s own investigation and adjudicatory process, on July 30, 2109, the WBC provisionally suspended its recognition of Dillian Whyte as WBC Interim World Heavyweight Champion and Mandatory Challenger of the division.

"On December 6, 2019, UKAD made a public announcement withdrawing its charge against Dillian Whyte.

"Based on limited but detailed research and information gathering, including the WBC’s consultation with two independent experts, the WBC found that there was no sufficient or conclusive evidence that Whyte intentionally, or even knowingly, ingested a banned substance with the purpose of enhancing his performance in any fashion.
In light of the WBC’s own finding and of UKAD’s withdrawal of the claim against Mr. Whyte, the WBC has closed its internal investigation.

"The WBC is hereby lifting its provisional suspension and confirming its recognition of Mr. Whyte as WBC Interim World Heavyweight Champion.

 

Wlad would have easily won this WBC belt given the ranked contenders at the time but boxing politics kicked in.

Stiverne v Arreloa for the vacant belt must be the worst 2 fighters to ever fight for a World Heavyweight Title Belt.

 

in a couple fight well see and we did see... Wilder never fought a unification fight in his career pretty obvious where the common denominator is.

“It's not the right thing yet. Give him a couple of fights, maybe bring something back to Alabama. Let him develop just like any other athlete. They don't take someone who is a great college prospect and throw him right in. And this kid is a great prospect.” the only thing this confirms is that he had no plans to fight Klitschko with Finkel wording it carefully to give him an out.

 

Youre still contradicting yourself. So for Ortiz age is just a number but for Wilder age determines prime ability

Just a hair past peak

He's chinny now from taking too many of the wrong kinds of punches.

There are no fighters near their peak into their 40s...Zhang is clearly past prime

Wlad was past prime, clearly.

Wlad was further past prime.

Notice how my answers didnt CHERRY PICK like your cheerleading opinion? Generally speaking fighters are leaving their prime around 35. Special fighters can still win beyond then and the further past 35 one goes the further from their peak they are.

Beating 39 year old Ortiz and 39 year old Wilder are equally impressive although Wilder is/was objectively better. On the one hand Ortiz was undefeated but beat nobody on the other hand Wilder was stopped twice but had a better resume that literally included Ortiz twice in addition to like 5x Fury KDs...and Fury was #1 HW in world at that time.

 

I am assuming AJ will have offered more as at the time he was the cash cow and everyone was getting career high paydays fighting AJ. Other than that I don’t know any more, but he got the deals done and wilders team didn’t.

my point with whyte was he was not the official mandatory, he was disputing it with wbc as they gave it to fury as you said. I disagreed with this but it wasn’t wilder fault wbc helped bring fury back. Be mad at wbc and fury, but wilder didn’t miss his mandatory.

 

I’m not contradicting myself.
You’re not understanding what I’m trying to explain, which is why I’m assuming you’re dense or just trying to be dense.

if wlad was past prime, why do people hail it as an excellent win for fury and AJ?

Since age is a number to you, the next question should be simple, what age is prime to you? What age is past prime?
35+ you stated is past prime here.

“age is just a number”, have you never heard people say this? Google it mate, life lesson.

 

Now it is the WBC's fault Wlad let other men fight for Vitali's belt.


These kids are objective.

 

He was the official mandatory they removed it and his status as interim champion provisionally pending a review.
“In light of that adverse finding, and pending the outcome of the WBC’s own investigation and adjudicatory process, the WBC is provisionally suspending the WBC’s recognition of Dillian Whyte as WBC interim world heavyweight champion and mandatory challenger of the division. Whyte was the official mandatory though and after Whyte was cleared they reversed the provisional suspension and restored his interim status which but not his Mandatory slot even though he was rated number 1 for years and was cleared of any wrongdoing if it was a provisional suspension and ended up without merit why was he not restored completely?

Was it Wilders fault partly, he repeatedly told Whyte that he he would not fight him. starting way back in 2018.

"I told him (Whyte) to sign with the PBC (Premier Boxing Champions) when he came from over here network shopping or whatever he was over here doing," said Wilder. in an interview on 9-22-2018 ( so the only way he would fight him is if he signed with the PBC his words.

The heavyweight division is the deepest it's been in almost 20 years. But, one matchup is going to have to wait.

In London for Saturday's unified heavyweight title showdown between Anthony Joshua and Alexander Povetkin, top contender Dillian Whyte spoke to DAZN and revealed a message he received from WBC titleholder Deontay Wilder, telling the Brit they won't be fighting anytime soon.
I was going to fight Luis Ortiz three or four years ago," Whyte said. "I said I'll fight you, but Wilder's got to agree that there's no second mandatory. There's no waiting six months or one year. You fight me next and no one else, but for me. Wilder goes, 'I'm not signing that.' And he also said to me in private message saying, 'Oh, I'm going to make you wait two years.' I'm like, 'Why? You're getting paid career-high money.'"

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/box...on-fury-dazn-boxing/9nuxlwcogf0412uawj7kfqvng

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Nonsense, Wilder’s title reign was the definition of holding a belt hostage. He made it clear for years that he wanted the least adversity possible while he was champ.

 

Yep that's pretty clear. He only fought Ortiz because Showtime were against televising the Wilder/Stiverne rematch and pushed for Ortiz, only for Ortiz to fail a doping test and Showtime were forced to air the mismatch that was Wilder vs Stiverne 2. Had Wilder's team had their way they would have never of fought Ortiz in the first place but Showtime were getting sick of poor matchmaking for Wilder.

You could even argue Ortiz was a cherry pick because while there was a lot of hype around Ortiz still from the KO win over the then overrated Jennings, he had looked bad against Malik Scott and then Dave Allen. Ortiz himself was a fighter who seemed to avoid adversity and quickly jumped ship from Matchroom to PBC when he realised Hearn wasn't just going to pay him to fight stiffs. That move is what secured Ortiz the Wilder fight as no way PBC would have risked it without some safety net to ensure they held onto the belt. Willder/Ortiz was a double cherry pick both sides saw the other as an easy win and payday.

Even the Fury fight was a cherry pick, as Fury at the time was seen as done. Fact is Wilder never really took a big risk, like Joshua fighting Wlad when people on here were saying they were going to duck Wlad. Parker fight too, people here saying AJ would duck it, Povetkin too, as well as Usyk but they all happened. Wilder in contrast never chased the dangerous fights, there was always an angle.

In the end, every time Wilder stepped up he lost. Some will say the Zhang and Parker losses were down to age and yes that was a factor but personally I think prime Wilder loses to them both too. A guy who was wobbled badly against Eric Molina, downed by Sconiers and Nichols isn't going 12 rounds with Zhang.

 

So whyte and wilder spoke many years ago and wilder advised him to join pbc, whyte didn’t and you have summised that was a condition of the fight and not just general conversation? Even if it was, so what, it’s business. AJ’s team offered wilder but stated he must join matchroom and have several fights prior to AJ. It’s business.

Whyte may say he was going to fight Ortiz but he didn’t.
you seem to believe everything whyte says, he’s another victim who thinks the industry is against him.

I understand wilders record is not murderers row, but very very few champs are.
What are fury’s defences? Duck wlad, try to duck wilder, Chisora and Whyte.
What are aj’s, old men?
Critics will find a way to critisize records. You only see what your eyes want you to see.

 

Wlad can't choose who does and who does not fight for the WBC belt lol. He didn't let anything happen.