Why didnt Wladimir Klitschko have a rematch with Corrie Sanders?

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  1. he grant

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    Wlad even today fights scared .. I totally give him credit for rebuilding a career w a safety first style but that is what it is .. A huge super heavyweight fighting as cautious as imaginable over a blow up light heavyweight in Haye .. I've never seen anything like it on a true championship level .. People forget he was in semi-serious trouble also against DaVarryl Williamson in their bout as well .. he simply has a weak chin and what a shame because offensively he is as dangerous as any heavyweight that ever lived .. true one punch KO power with either hand if he lets them go ...
     
  2. The Long Count

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    Posters are losing the context of the situation, Wlad was in a unique position in the division's history; He had a sibling as dominant as himself ruling the division co-currently. In hindsight which is always 20/20 it may hurt his legacy a bit that he didn't avenge the Sanders defeat, but in no way should a young heavyweight take an immediate rematch with a fighter after the way he had lost. To do so is just stupid management. Any trainer, manager worth his salt would let his charge work up his confidence and fix his flaws at a young age before avenging that loss. It just so happens that Wlad had a brother who could take the fight immediately and he defeated Sanders. By time Wlad was ready to fight Sanders, he had become irrevelant. Joe Louis had 11 fights and over two years elapsed by time he rematched Schemling, Lennox had 4 fights and two and half years before he rematched McCall. He also had switched trainers and fought a greatly diminished version of McCall. When Vitali suffered the career threatening injury to his knee and Wlad lost to Brewster he did exactly what they did before him, had a few fights and completely dominated the rematch while Vitali was on the shelf. That is the exact path that would of happened had Vitali not been on the scene.
    Wlad did nothing wrong, his brother was just in a position to take the fight, perhaps if Louis or Lewis had a dominant brother their history would be different.
    Look what happened to David Price jumping into an immediate rematch. This was the best path for Wlad and he has become a dominant champion.
     
  3. HerolGee

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    wlad was prime, not green. and he was a titlist.

    what you should be asking was why wlad was climbing into the ring with a 37 year old retired failure in the first place.

    Corrie was a guy that Wlad would want on his resume when he was on the way up to say a European title shot, not for a world title defence.
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    Because roughly ten other fighters had declined offers to fight him.
     
  5. The Long Count

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    You're putting words in my mouth and you lack command of basic vocabulary never did I say in my post that Wlad was Green. Green is a metaphor for lack of experience, I said Wlad was Young which at 26 in today's game is young for a heavyweight. Nice way to try and spin my post in your favor and to cherry pick one lone word to favor your agenda. Then again you're the same fool I had to teach when you tried to go on over multiple posts about Ken Norton having a "granite" chin. Clueless.
     
  6. HerolGee

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    26 is entering prime.

    he was a champ. you expect a champ to rematch a loss.

    What you don't expect is for him to defend a world title against a 37 year old retired nobody. THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE ASKING.

    what were you muttering?
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    ANSWER REPEATED - Because roughly ten other fighters declined an offer to fight him....
     
  8. HerolGee

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    but why a retired failure specifically?

    is there a precedent in history for this? no.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    Who would you suggest that he fought in the spring of 2003, with 10 contenders already declining an offer to fight him? At least Sanders was a 37-2 fringe guy with a big punch. Would it have been better if he fought 20-14 journeyman, a 12-0 green prospect, or better yet no one at all?
     
  10. HerolGee

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    what do you mean? sanders shouldnt even have been approached for an African title.

    find someone at world level, or just cancel. DO not try and manufacture a bogus defence record.
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    So what are you saying? that there should have been no fight at all and Wlad should have just sat idle? Not sure I understand this line of reasoning.
     
  12. HerolGee

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    yes, you certainly should wait and sign for a good opponent rather than fight a nobody and then fight nobody good for years.

    what part of this do you have a problem with?

    Or it simply the norm for you that a hw titlist should fight bums?
     
  13. The Long Count

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    I was muttering you're a clueless fool.
    Prime is relative, it's not associated with age, Tyson had a prime of 22 Jersey Joe Walcott in his 30's. Prime is when a fighter maximizes their potential and becomes the best fighter they can be. This is usually during an athletic peak in the 20's but not exclusive to it. Wlad did not realize his full potential until he paired up with Emmanuel Steward and perfected his style. I didn't see Lennox Lewis rematch McCall immediately? He was champ.

    Still feel Ken Norton has a "Granite" Chin?
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    No.. The norm for me is that a heavyweight titlist defends his title against whoever is available and remains active rather than sitting on his title waiting for some hypothetical challenge to show up.. Frankly, I think you are unaware of what the picture looked like back then, and rather than recanting your position you're trying to hold your ground which looks ridiculous to say the least.
     
  15. dinovelvet

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    Not true I'm afraid.

    Corrie just wasn't in contention to fight for a title. It was a cherry pick by Wlad.

    Sanders was meant to be fighting Danny Williams except Danny pulled out because of Ramadan, so Wlad offered him the fight like he has done to so many other undeserving challengers.

    So 'ATG' gets destroyed in two by a cherry pick in my book.