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Why do AM fans believe Floyd ducked AM when AM is not even built like that?

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istmeno said:

that is the proof that arum intended to put pbf margarito in the same ring prior to pbf buying out his contract.
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No it isn't lol...what the heck are you even talking about lol...????????:rofl :nut

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I see so many threads on this topic but honestly everyone should look out for their own careers and make moves that benefits them and not the fans.When it all comes down it's all about business and know we all hate the business part because we want the best fights but that's the way it is.I honestly think Floyd made the right move because it led him to fight Oscar which was his biggest payday of his career plus he rose to fame because of 24/7 plus his victory over Oscar.Also that led him to fight a another big PPV fight which was Hatton and that got a lot of attention plus a lot of money for him.So the end if he did or didn't duck AM i still think it was the best move on a financial view.Can we same thing for AM ! after he beat Cotto and rose to a new fame which he never got that he's ducking P.Williams now! So you see it's all about making the right decision to benefit your career.

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I see so many threads on this topic but honestly everyone should look out for their own careers and make moves that benefits them and not the fans.When it all comes down it's all about business and know we all hate the business part because we want the best fights but that's the way it is.I honestly think Floyd made the right move because it led him to fight Oscar which was his biggest payday of his career plus he rose to fame because of 24/7 plus his victory over Oscar.Also that led him to fight a another big PPV fight which was Hatton and that got a lot of attention plus a lot of money for him.So the end if he did or didn't duck AM i still think it was the best move on a financial view.Can we same thing for AM ! after he beat Cotto and rose to a new fame which he never got that he's ducking P.Williams now! So you see it's all about making the right decision to benefit your career.
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Good post:bbb

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NALLEGE said:

No it isn't lol...what the heck are you even talking about lol...????????:rofl :nut
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your smileys are cute, but you clearly stated that arum made no move to put his fighters together when they were under his control. tat quote showed arums intentions prior to pbf buying out his contract. and that was before the judah fight.

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You are right when you ask if fighters are scared of other fighters, your right they are not, well ask those who feared Mike Tyson when he was in his prime, they fought mike becuase mike was the meal ticket but didnt want to actually go out there and earn their money.

Anyhow I dont think Floyd was scared of Antonio,
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, and had Floyd lost to Margarito, I dont think Floyd would have made the same kind of money he did in a fight with De La Hoya, Oscar would have had leverage.

Floyd is not only scared of a loss, in fighting Tony, but the kind of loss he would have suffered, which would have been brutal Tony would have put some **** on Floyd that Floyd didnt want no part of.

Bottom line here is yes Floyd turned down 8 Million dollars to fight Margarito, call it a business decision if you like, he still refused the fight, he still took a fight with a lesser threat rather than to risk fighting somone who could and would actually do damage.

if Floyd comes back and fights Tony again which I doubt, win or lose he will gain more respect from the fans as a whole than he does right now, Floyds cherry picking at 147 is un acceptable, its un ****ing beleivable, yet you fan boys, still tend to talk **** about who Tony is fighting or who he is not fighting, bottom line is Tony has fought better at 147 than Floyd has, Tony has picked up two major titles at 147 when is the last time Floyd has done that?

no I aint saying that Tony is better than floyd even though I beleive if they fight Tony would win by knock out, I am saying that Tony has accomplished more at that class, and has beat much bigger names.
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How did he fear losing to margarito when Arum himself said floyd excepted the 8 million dollars to fight Margarito that was part of a 3 fight deal but rejected the 7 mill to fight Hatton and Cotto ..

This is what I can not understand about Floyd haters , the straight denial of the truth and fact at any cost.

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NALLEGE said:

After the Judah fight, Mayweather paid $750K to buy himself out of the Top rank contract. It must be noted at this time that Arum had Mayweather, Cotto and margarito under contract at the same time, but made zero attempt to get any of the two of them into a ring together.

Anyway, after FMJ left Arum, Bob offered Floyd $8 mil to fight Margarito. Floyd essentially laughed at it, because he had just cemented his star status and didn't want to:
a) do business with Bob Arum and/or Top Rank
b) be under contract or give options to any promoter.

Mayweather and Ellerbe said that they had their own fanbase, and that the $8 million would be coming from their own pockets. Quote: how can someone who hasn't even fought for ONE million offer me EIGHT million?

Earlier that year, margarito had fought Shotgun Gomez in a half-empty room at the Aladdin. PPV sales? 30K PPV buys. No, I am not missing a zero. Thirty thousand.

So, Mayweather waited for the results of Baldomir/Gatti, but more importantly the results of Shane/Vargas (II). The huge buzz was that there was going to be a Floyd/Shane fight. Team Mayweather had an offer out to Shane for a fight in the fall. HBO had reserved the Nov 4th date for Floyd's PPV (presumably, vs. Shane).

Larry Merchant asked (a victorious) Shane if he would take the mayweather offer. Shane said "um, vacation...my tooth". Floyd was shocked. Team mayweather looked around and weighed their options. Baldomir had beaten Judah and gatti back-to-back. People were saying that Baldomir would be the biggest and strongest fighter than Floyd would face. Especially with a Delahoya payday in the balance. Thus, the name "Pretty Risky".

Consequently, Floyd hired Goossen as a freelance (one-off) promoter to work the Baldomir fight. Floyd agreed to a base of $8,000,001 plus a cut of PPV buys. Floyd made a total of eleven million for that fight. Most imporatantly to Team mayweather, they were controlling their own destiny.

The next fights? Thirty mil vs Oscar and twenty mil vs Hatton.

Do I think fighters get scared and duck other fighters? Hell no! Ask Calzaghe if he is afraid of another man. "I'm not afraid of any man. I'm afraid of losing. When you've been fighting for 22 years, you are not afraid of the fighter, you become afraid of losing".

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Good post. However, the highlighted part is inaccurate. Arum was all set to match Floyd with Margo in either July or August of 2006. He even reserved the Thomas & Mack Center for the event. However, Floyd said he hurt his hand in the Judah, then brought himself out of his contract to pursue a fight with Hoya.

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Good post. However, the highlighted part is inaccurate. Arum was all set to match Floyd with Margo in either July or August of 2006. He even reserved the Thomas & Mack Center for the event. However, Floyd said he hurt his hand in the Judah, then brought himself out of his contract to pursue a fight with Hoya.
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Also a good post , but as mention earlier floyd bought out his contract after negotiation regarding the three fight contract with Arum fell through.

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Also a good post , but as mention earlier floyd bought out his contract after negotiation regarding the three fight contract with Arum fell through.
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Floyd bought out his contract because he only had a small window to do so. If he had waited, he would've been stuck with Arum for the remainder of the contract. However, Arum's plan was always to have Floyd fight Judah and then Margo.

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Mayfeather is terrified if tony margarito

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BigReg said:

Floyd bought out his contract because he only had a small window to do so. If he had waited, he would've been stuck with Arum for the remainder of the contract. However, Arum's plan was always to have Floyd fight Judah and then Margo.
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Big Reg...that was Arum's plan, not Floyd's. That is where they collided. Floyd said he could not see where a big money fight was coming in the future since losing out on a fight with Cotto at 140. Cotto's people wanted the fight at 147 and down the line. Floyd wanted Dlh all long. He did not see AM as a big money fight. He thought that the Dlh fight could break the bank.

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pit said:

How did he fear losing to margarito when Arum himself said floyd excepted the 8 million dollars to fight Margarito that was part of a 3 fight deal but rejected the 7 mill to fight Hatton and Cotto ..

This is what I can not understand about Floyd haters , the straight denial of the truth and fact at any cost.
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Exactly...Pit, the one thing I like about your posts is that you are always on point. Big Reg is also. You guys are two of the better posters I've met on any forum:good

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AzteK Warrior said:

Margarito = Gayweather's WORST Nightmare
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Just read my posts, Pit's and then Big Reg's lol. Look how infantile your thoughts are compared to our posts lol...

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NALLEGE said:

Big Reg...that was Arum's plan, not Floyd's. That is where they collided. Floyd said he could not see where a big money fight was coming in the future since losing out on a fight with Cotto at 140. Cotto's people wanted the fight at 147 and down the line. Floyd wanted Dlh all long. He did not see AM as a big money fight. He thought that the Dlh fight could break the bank.
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That doesn't change the fact that Arum indeed tried to match Floyd wih Margo while Floyd was under contract.

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AzteK Warrior said:

Yes, Gayweather DUCKED Margo multiple times...INCLUDING a career high payday.. You need proof????

HERE..

[url]http://www.viddler.com/explore/BoxingHumor/videos/28/[/url]

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
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REAL boxing posters quote REAL things lol...Did AM take that fight with Williams yet?

Nope, here is the link as proof:
[url]www.iwantamoneyfightfirstbeforeiloseitalltowilliams.com[/url]
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Http//:www.i'mnotrematchingwilliamsever.net

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BigReg said:

That doesn't change the fact that Arum indeed tried to match Floyd wih Margo while Floyd was under contract.
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Arum can do anything he wants, but if the fighter and promotor aren't on the same page, how is this proof that he tried to make a fight between the two?

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