Why do Andre Ward fans love the 'Triangle Theory' so much?

Something that occurred to me the other day: A lot of Ward fans are the type of people who call themselves 'pure boxing fans' and such, and will say people that don't like watching his style 'DKSAB' - however they seem to fall hook line and sinker for the old 'A beat B, B beat C, therefore A beats C, no need to fight'.

I know Ward's having promotional issues etc., but he spends more time talking about why other fighters won't fight him, rather than who he wants to fight.

In my opinion, George Groves vs. Ward should happen down the line if Groves can rebuild and get some good results, and this fight is far from a gimme for Ward. I don't think Ward has faced someone who is as explosive, hits as hard, is as fast (maybe even faster - Ward's speed overrated imo) as him, and who he would struggle to dictate the pace against.

Yet, Ward fans will happily say Ward's cleaned out the division and there's no need to fight Groves because Froch just beat him twice? The fight would be entirely different - can Ward TKO or KO Groves? Probably not, and he's not got the game to absorb the punishment Froch did and still break him down (in the first fight) or have the 1 punch power to lay him out like in the second fight.

Also, they use the same excuse for why Ward should never have fought Bute. Froch dismantled him. But the fight would have been entirely different - Ward would never walk through Bute the way Froch did, or bust him up the same way.

My point is this, with two what could be/could have been great fights, he would have to have found his own way to win. Instead, him and his fans sit and use a fighter like Froch as their barometer as to who they think he should and shouldn't fight. As if anyone that can't beat a guy Ward beat isn't worthy of a fight with him.

Like I say, I know he's not fighting at the moment, but this stance on his resume seems like total hypocrisy to me...

 

Errmm...no, hence why I didn't mention GGG...

Actually, I'm a Froch fan, who accepts that Froch's weaknesses and Ward's strengths mean Froch is highly unlikely to beat Ward in any match, regardless of refs, judges, location.

But my point is that I don't think any weaknesses Froch exposed in either Bute or Groves are weaknesses that Ward has the tools to exploit in the same way. It comes down to the whole 'styles make fights' chestnut. The matchups would lead to different fights that would tell different stories.

Actually, this is fair, I forgot about this - however, I still believe Groves will give Ward nightmares. Hope he can rebuild, and in 18 months or so, I think this is a genuine 50/50 fight.

 

You prove my point.

Validating Ward not fighting an up and comer because he lost to a common opponent? What happened to styles make fights?!

Groves is a nightmare for Ward. He hits harder than anyone Ward has faced - or at least hits more explosively. He is faster than anyone Ward has faced, and I wouldn't mind betting he is faster than Ward, and he has the ability to fight on the front or back foot and control distance. I don't think Ward could take the shots that Froch took, and I don't think he can avoid Groves' right hand for 12 rounds. No way is it a gimme.

 

No, actually I'm a Froch fan, who was at Wembley screaming my tits off for Froch to win. I dislike Groves as a person, and believed he would come unstuck against Froch. However, he will breeze past his next opponent, probably hammer Bika or Dirrell the fight after, and then be a champ at SMW. Unless he loses against Rebrasse, he's fighting far beyond British level. In fact, a Euro belt in his next fight and WBC eliminator is way beyond British level.

But it's this idea that people can just say things like you said above, and somehow Ward gets a pass for yet another challenger and doesn't step in the ring to prove what he and his fans are saying.

Does Groves not present different challenges tothose Ward has had to face in his career so far?

 

No, but someone that has put a 4 time World Champ on his arse in 2 minutes of the first round - something Ward couldn't do while hitting him at will for 36 minutes - MUST have shown something. All I'm saying is that it's an interesting fight. But if everyone would rather Ward didn't fight anyone then fair enough, it kinda proves my point, no? Who out there at 168 poses a genuine challenge or threat to Ward? And if you can list anyone, why isn't he fighting them?

Also, why did everyone give him a pass for ducking Bute and letting Froch take care of him? If Bute had won that fight, Ward would have made him jup through some other hoop to get a fight. And stylistically, Bute is a different fight for Ward as well. He sure as hell ain't giving him the pasting Froch gave him in the same manner - but what would he have done? We'll never know, and him and his fans don't care, and that's kind of the problem...