Why do boxing fans support shameless greed?

you and your fellow ***** Cafe.

this thread is for you guys and you still haven't noticed it yet. why do you defend someone's greediness that resulted in a non-fight when you won't see any of that money.

and what's with the "ride and die" statement that made you seemed to be so agitated?

 

At the end of the day, the fans are not going to pay your Playboy Mansion & Lamborghini bills.

 

Finally someone got on to it.

I definitely did that on purpose...clearly oops::-lol:

 

I look at it like a business, and can't knock another grown man for trying to make the best out of his situation.. If we were in their shoes I'm sure most if not all of us would do the same thing, look at risk vs reward and decide accordingly.

And as you said fans that are upset about this should show their frustration and NOT buy the fights or show that fighter support. But majority of the time we just get to hear them complain about a system that's not going to change.

 

It all depends on the situation. I don't mind a mismatch or a substitute bout as long as there is something in it for me, some intrigue. Ordering a Mayweather vs Ortiz bout did not even cross my mind, however I am looking forward to Mosley vs Alvarez even though it has little impact on the overall boxing picture. It has the right spin to it, "can the young buck put away the veteran once and for all?" Cotto vs Mayweather is also on the card which I would pay for even without the undercard, but that doesn't mean I ordered Cotto/Margarito2. I am selective when paying for fights and I think most fans should be. The only reason why anyone ordered Mosley vs Mora should be to support a fighter that gave you great fights in years past, what else? It didn't have a story line, It wasn't a good matchup on paper, It didn't have much impact on rankings.

 

Pacquiao fighting MAB, JMM and Morales in their prime. Stepping up in weight and fighting Hatton at 140, Cotto at 145, Tim Bradley at 147 who beat Alexander and Lamont both who had monster wins in fights they were supposed to struggle.
So the P is negated from the conversation, you must be talking about the F and the K's ?

 

Bhop-Dawson comes to mind

 

Well said :deal

 

It really is kind sad how a few fighters take most of the revenue in boxing. And most of the fights of these superstars feel like they are pre-arranged for them to win. No real threat at all. I'm certainly not buying neither M or P fight. Not worth the money. I already knew who won.

 

Well I think in general people agree, they want to see the best fights, except for when it comes to the fighters they root on. As in the case in just this thread, haha!

Anyhow, I think it's more of the fault of the structure, than the boxers. The boxers have to look out for their best interests period. The current structure favors revenue based on popularity rather than accomplishments. If the structure was reorganized, say one title, back to national television, advertisement support, fighters union, salary plus bonuses for accomplishments, and health insurance, then it would make sense for fighters to take on the best.

Right now it's about hype and getting pay days cause you never know about tomorrow.

 

Then why are you treating Froch, Mares, Marquez, Rios, Cotto, and Katsidis as if they don't do the very things you're decrying in your post? PBFred's response already covered much of this with his takes on individual fighters but I'll note further:

-Froch made Bute bend entirely to his demands and repeatedly expressed disinterest in that fight if he had won the Super Six.

-Cotto did not want Mayweather in 2005, never wanted Paul Williams, and explicitly cited business concerns for why he was not interested in Martinez (whilst being perfectly comfortable taking part in fights with past-it Mayorga and Margarito).

-Marquez turned down fights with Khan, Morales, and Guerrero to get Pacquiao. I sure hope you never called Bradley a coward for turning down Khan to also get Pacquiao! If he takes on Mayol and Gesta this year, three of his last four fights will have been severely overmatched opponents. And like Cotto, Marquez explicitly cites business reasons for most of his decisions.

-Finally I don't see why Mares deserves any credit in this regard. He was forced into giving Agbeko a rematch by the IBF and Showtime after his outlandish performance in the first fight. Other than that, he never expressed the least bit of interest in unifying against the best remaining bantam in Moreno (who of course belongs to the same promotional company and even fought on the same card in his last fight) and has headed for the safer pastures of 122.

The same applies to Rios. Why exactly should he get any credit for agreeing to take on a much smaller Gamboa or a somewhat smaller Marquez? Wake me up when he decides to fight someone he doesn't own every physical advantage over for the first time in ages.

 

purephase and PBFred are right on the money.

 

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havent visited ESB for awhile, looking for some good boxing food for thought. Though your boxer analysis can differentiate from my opinions, at least we can usually agree with the idealism of the sport.

There's a high level of "narcissism" and "megalomania" that these supposed idols have, and which fans praise and reinforce them in. But yet, its the general signs of "Success by American Terms", or the "American Dream", and is good.
But whe you have achieved success and start conducting yourself in less-than-favorable ways, USUALLY its frowned upon. But not with this pop culture. They praise the show/display of excess, of opulence, and extreme self-gratification. They also praise the show/display of illegal, financial activities, which may lead to the previous status.

The only people i idolize and aspire to be are those who give honest effort, maintains a level of integrity, dignity, and respect in their actions, and treat others as they would want to be treated.

 

that part makes you look foolish . Froch and Mares had the toughest series of matches in recent history with the two tournaments. Mares never seemed reluctant to give Agbeko a rematch like Peterson to Khan for example.

 

Right but he pretty much had no choice whatsoever in the matter. There was absolutely no one else he could take on aside from a magically available Donaire that would have allowed him to retain any sort of credibility in the eyes of the network that had just showcased him. He never seemed reluctant because unlike Peterson he had no realistic alternatives from the moment the fight ended.