Why do casuals constant say Prime George Foreman had poor stamina?

Hard to answer when you phrase it like that. He fought Peralta cool enough but Peralta was too small to capitalize on anything and looked like he was teaching George some things despite the fact. I think he was responsible for Ali's plot on the ropes. Foreman I think had average stamina but when you swing your arms like that you are bound to burn out a lot quicker and against Ali and Young he was missing too much to sustain an appreciable effect it also helped they could take a punch and where similar in size and for the most part they picked him apart besides a few choppy moments. So in short- Foreman was prone to rushing his work he wasn't clever enough, he overreached and threw too much into his shots when there wasn't an oppurtunity to land he just seemed to try and punch through everything.

 

Probably since its the only information there is have of Foreman in his younger days going near 12/15 rounds, me personally I feel Foreman was able to go a solid 12 tiring a little during round 8/9.

I don't take the Ali fight into the picture as he was throwing as hard as he could mindlessly for 8 rounds, most men would gas from that alone.

 

Casual here. Who's George Foreman?

 

Was a pro for a bit had a few fights and went on to make slightly overrated grills.

 

His stamina is about a 6-7/10. Not great, but not horrible either. People act as if he would gas just running up a flight of stairs. His issue was that he didn't pace himself well and had hypertension issues in his prime. Way too much anxiety and aggression combined with him often being hell bent on knocking everybody out instead of simply boxing and letting the KO occur naturally. The reasons he gassed against Ali and Young have been thoroughly explained dozens of times and it wasn't simply poor stamina. Clash of styles+extreme muggy heat would be a problem for any fighter regardless.

 

Well, see, that’s yet another “casual’s” misguided belief, exponentially replicated over the years.

Foreman’s grills are great. I purchased a Foreman slow cooker too and I love it…and I love George too.

This is an unpaid testimony but if the big fella happens to read this…and if he’s feeling generous….well….I can throw in even more superlatives if necessary….

George stood behind everything he sold anyway…….so that he could score a free serving after your first cooked meal.

 

I think most here understand what stamina is - and in boxing it is often a “for all intents and purposes” proposition.

All other factors aside, the way Foreman fought and the energies he put in to secure early round KOs was not conducive to his remaining viable over a protracted number of rounds or the full distance.

Ali and Young also fought in the heat but were that much better off than George so it remains isolated to Foreman’s style/tempo

At just 21 yo, from and including at least the 7th round, Foreman began to tire notably vs an opponent 14 years his senior - 35 yo Peralta. George began looking like a raggedy doll, still swinging with some heat but losing control and discipline in terms of his form and movement.

Even when George fought Frazier the second time, though better paced and metered, it’s easy to see that he was still huffing and puffing at fight’s end.

Shavers rowed in a similar boat. Often tagged as having poor stamina, Earnie swung even harder than George for the quick KO - that even effected the perception of Earnie’s chin - when he suffered KOs/Stoppages which were far more to due to an empty tank.

Not a rhetorical question: which HWs could be described as literally having poor stamina absolute without calling in any other factors such as style, high early round output, undue climate etc?

 

Nice try George.

 

You got me kid.

Sorry Pugguy, we almost pulled it off.

Thanks for letting me use your sign in man.

Cheques in the mail.

 

No wonder you didn’t reply directly.

Because you’re talking rubbish.

If you expressly choose not to reply directly as a matter of course, don’t reference my posts at all.

I said Foreman was huffing and puffing.

So you’re suggesting that Foreman was merely breathing without notable and undue labour?

Yeah, just like George was only breathing in Zaire, especially when he hit the deck.

You’re not very perceptive, are you?

Why do you think Frazier strategised to be more mobile in the rematch and take Foreman into the deeper waters of the later rounds? - because Joe also understood that George’s effective stamina was suspect and limited.

I said Foreman was moving like a raggedy doll. You couldn’t even get that right, still trying to misquote and relabel, so well done again.

Even Cosell observed what should’ve been bleeding obvious to anyone else with a clue - vs the much older Peralta, Foreman was starting to notably fatigue from and including at least the 7th round.

No one’s avoiding Peralta 2. Point me to the film or a decent description of that fight. We know Peralta himself was that much older again at age 36 - just terrific.

You wanna bring up Levi Forte? He later worked with Ali and noted that Foreman didn’t have stamina. Foreman himself said he didn’t want to fight Forte again - and he never did.

Your point doesn’t stand.

As to casual and simple, that’s a shoe that fits you best.

 

I think it's less about having poor stamina and more about having poor energy management. Prime Foreman didn't pace himself too well, and while it did result in many early KOs, it also meant that if it got to the end rounds his gaskets were blowing out. That's probably the single best improvement Old Foreman had over the prime version. Old Foreman had learned his lesson and could probably fight at his pace for 20 rounds.

 

After gassing out against Brewster, Wlad went for about a decade straight of successful title defenses, several over 12. George, on the other hand, neither made a successful title defense* nor won a 12 rounder until he fought Axel Schultz, and it was a robbery.

*he defended the invisible lineal title because he got stripped of the physical belt for ducking Tony Tucker

 

Poor stamina =/= weak chin. The two aren't synonymous. For the record I don't think George suffered from either.