Why do casuals constant say Prime George Foreman had poor stamina?

Not so sure that sweeping statement is true, doop.

I've yet to see anyone repeat too much of the information you've been offering up.

 

Should 'of'...? A opinion...?

If you're going to call people 'simple' at least get your basic entry level grammar right.

You actually make a potentially decent point. Foreman's stamina issues are overcooked imo too. Even if you factor in Zaire, that was a lot of energy he was burning. A lot of heavyweights would have struggled with that pace.

But that's not to say they weren't real issues. He looked exhausted versus Lyle too. He didn't train for long drawn out affairs. Had he done so, he might have had less of an issue but you don't get stamina from hitting a stationary heavy bag and young George was no lover of road work.

He also fought anxious. Those are his words. That's incredibly draining on stamina and something he sorted out in career 2, enabling him to go 12 rounds without sitting.

It's a shame that you neglected to mention either point in any of your posts. It's not like you were prioritising brevity after all. They're really key issues in the debate and to ignore them shows that all you have done is take a contrary opinion, highlighted a few fights where George wasn't knackered at the end as evidence that you're right and 99% of other posters are wrong (and 'simple').

Perhaps if you put more effort into making a constructive, balanced post which address all the issues rather than cherrypick points that support your argument, and less effort into being obnoxious to your fellow posters, you'd make more valid points that achieve greater consensus among the board.

But even if you were still unable to form a decent watertight argument, at least you wouldn't come across as such an unpleasant know-it-all ***** so it would still be worth giving it a go.

 

Casual here.

He was a little fella from oop north in my country. Played the banjo and leaned a lot on lampposts at the corner of the street when he wasn't cleaning windows, I believe.

 

You didn't say that at all. You said why do people think he had bad stamina as he faded vs Ali. You didn't mention taking a punch which, although often related to stamina, is a separate issue.

You also say 99% of posters are casuals who just repeat stuff they read. That was the sweeping statement I was referring to.

I haven't actually seen anyone claim he couldn't take a punch in this thread. Where I have seen people question whether early George's chin was titanium level in other threads, the better posts have cited how George was visibly staggered by Ali's right leads in the early three or four rounds, long before stamina should have been an issue.

I think you've read somewhere that Foreman had good stamina and taken that as the truth without questioning it like, what's 100-99?, 1% of posters on here do.

 

At least there has been sensible input to this thread otherwise.

I posed this question in an earlier post on this thread:-

Which fighters can we point to and actually say that their poor stamina as demonstrated was a natural, inherent deficiency - say, akin to a weak chin that a fighter cannot help or do anything about?

I’m obviously divorcing poor training etc which of course impacts negatively on effective stamina.

In order to keep all things equal - before layering on factors such as style, tempo and specific accents (puncher vs boxer, fighters heavily reliant high octane bob/weave dense etc.), I would think that properly trained boxers (athletes) would all reside within a certain bandwidth of elite conditioning and stamina.

However, once we begin considering individual styles etc., we then appreciate how some fighters tap their energy resource far more than other fighters without their absolute stamina held in reserve in the first instance being necessarily deficient as compared to the next guy.

In short, most fighters who gassed prematurely relative to their counterparts, generally had stylistic qualifiers etc. to explain same - so for the most part, and excluding a specific physical impairment (viz Holyfield’s sudden energy drain due to heart issues) I don’t know if there is anyone we can nominate as having pure stamina issues (as opposed to effective stamina issues).

One final consideration to throw into the fray would be the more heavily built, heavy armed fighters (be it natural or attained by weight training or any means otherwise). Despite acceptable conditioning, just for the extra muscle, they could be more prone to faster fatiguing and premature arm weariness.

Foreman was a very heavy set guy compared to most in his era - that alone might’ve tapped his stamina that little bit more.

Joe Bugner was a very able, technically proficient fighter with fast hands. Joe could also punch when sufficiently inclined. Some questioned Joe’s commitment (stress, NOT heart as in courage) - I guess because it seemed at times that Bugner could’ve been more busy than he was.

However, body building and weight training were Joe’s first callings before boxing.

For a boxer, Joe had great physical tools, chin included but was perhaps a bit too muscle bound. This didn’t necessarily translate to any obvious stamina issues or flat out gassing - see Ali and Frazier fights - but it might’ve lent to some considerate management on Joe’s part with a measure of restricted output.

I’m not saying any of these points are irrefutably correct, just points raised for possible discussion, which can be agreed upon or rejected with supporting rationale.

If someone could point me to where I can sign up as a Casual Gold Member, lest my qualifications be overstated, it would be very much appreciated. GOLD = All other forum entitlements to remain in place.

PS - Nice George Formby reference. A primitive performer though due to his being embedded in the antiquated black and white era.

 

Mainly because a prime George Foreman was used to pulverizing his opposition in two or three rounds. But as many of us saw against Muhammad Ali on Oct 30 1974, and against Jimmy Young on March 17 1977, he was gassed after 4 rounds, lumbering after those opponents who took him under deep unfamiliar waters. First off, the intimidation factor was void against Ali and Young, making way for defeat. Against those two, George visited the canvas, against Ali he was counted out.

 

I'm a big Joe Bugner fan. Good boxer. Great guy. I actually think he would be better in this era than he was in his own.

 

Joe Bugner was a strong sturdy heavyweight, in the mold of let's say, George Chuvalo. But I do agree with your statement.

 

He is definitely good enough to win one of the alphabet titles.

 

Look up the word "casual" in the dictionary poopy doopy woopy, and your picture will be next to it.