Why do cheaters get a NC afterwards and not a DQ loss?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Robney, Oct 25, 2013.


  1. 1_man_army

    1_man_army The Knockout King Full Member

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    It should be a NC.

    I win and a loss are only achievable within the 12 rounds of a fight, anything that happens outside of that, should nullify the result like it never happened.

    Think of it like this. If a fighter beats the living **** out of an opponent and stops him early and then gets caught with weed in their system, who would be fooled by giving a DQ win to the opponent? A win should only be achieved in the ring. Its best to change it to a NC and discount the whole thing.
     
  2. shanahan14

    shanahan14 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I know this opens the floodgates, but I would assume the organizations would have a list of actual PEDs. Yes, I'm sure marijuana may help you in some way, but I think the OP means cocaine/steroids/**** like that.
     
  3. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    weed shouldn't even be on WADA's banned list. that debacle with jcc jr after martinez was ridiculous. fining him 900,000 usd - who got that money? the nevada state athletic commission is corrupt. cj ross and keith keizer are corrupt.
     
  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    I agree that pot shouldn't be on the lists, but it's there. And boxers and any other sporters know they shouldn't take it. If they take it anyway it's their own damn fault in my opinion.
    If that same fighter beats the **** out of the same opponent and hits him when he's down, he gets DQ'd all the same. He broke the rules, no matter how wide or close the fight was.
     
  5. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    It's a tricky one. because there's some circumstances when giving the W to a clearly inferior fighter would be ridiculous. OTOH I'm firmly in favour of severe punishments for those caught cheating, and the risk of an L could be quite a disincentive.

    I'd suggest it should be the preferred option from a range of punishments to be handed out by the relevant governing body, although this leaves open the possibility of corruption within the decisions process.

    An ideal world might allow the injured party the option of a mandatory rematch (when the cheater had served out any suspension) in order to try to prove they would have won on a level playing field, but financial considerations would likely make this unworkable.
     
  6. p4p_kid

    p4p_kid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no. coz they had not inflicted any damage yet. but if margarito would've won his fight against mosley then caught cheating, he would have been dq'd. simple as that
     
  7. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    Let's bump this and see if opinions have changed a bit in a year time :bump
     
  8. Scar

    Scar VIP Member

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    Definitely yes. Always wondered why they disqualified them rather than hand them a loss.
     
  9. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Probably because any rules remotely concerning a problem after the fact were simply dealt with by ruling NC at one time, and that passed down the line to deal with anything remotely concerning a problem after the fact. By the time PED use came along maybe no one bothered to change the rules. Things don't change unless people complain, let Floyd be the victim of a NC to a cheater...we'd have change real quick.
     
  10. dublynflya

    dublynflya Stand your ground Son!! Full Member

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    They should not only receive a DQ loss for doping/PED use but be banned from participating in the sport of boxing for at least five years!!

    If the fighter's trainer is found to be part of the conspiracy, they should receive a lifetime ban!!

    All this "I did not know what it was/that it was banned/my trainer mixed my drinks/a mate spiked me" (etc) bs should not be considered as a defense!! What goes into a fighter's body is their responsibility, no-one else's!!

    Only with a Zero Tolerance Policy will the (suspected) widespread use of PED's in sport of boxing be addressed.
     
  11. Moanamchara

    Moanamchara Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Should be banned from the sport and their record thrown out. If they did this there would be less juicing as the consequences would be greater.
     
  12. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WhAbbyen belts are on the line it's a bs $$$ thing.

    Nobody would pay any sanctioning fees if they knew no matter what they aren't winning a belt. That makes enough sense I guess

    For non title fights I have no idea what the deal is now and what they're b
    I think it should be case by case basis.

    Weed and **** like that shouldn't ever be sitting next to any type of ped list.
    There aren't any real recreational drugs that should ever be the same punishment as ped testing failures