Why do Deontay Wilder fans conveniently keep ignoring fights where his power was exposed?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, Nov 20, 2018.


  1. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Based on one fight going the distance I guess.

    Ortiz ain't a stiff. That's absolutely a legit win

    If he didn't stop everyone, then you could say his power is fraudulent. But he has, so saying it is fraudulent is conjecture really.
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He hits really hard no doubt - although an old lady would hit much harder than she normally could if she swung from the fences like he does.

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  3. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Joshua hits harder. Wilder has to throw from the ground with his forearms to the backside of his opponents heads. Just watch his KO highlight reel.
     
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  4. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    However, he still did really well for a guy with a skill set of a 12 year old novice.
    His chin is not iron, but he is able to recover from being hit multiple times by heavy shots. He pretty much fights on willpower alone, since he has no ring IQ, no fundamentals and not much strategy except to land a big shot on a tired opponent.
     
  5. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He gets the job done. Bottom line.
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Explain.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    OK. I think it's fair to question his power in light of the competition he has faced. But even still, he has exhibited some brutal punching power.

    Who do you think are the best power punchers in the game today?
     
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  8. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Watch his KO's
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    That's not really an explanation, nor does it signify evidence of "cheating" in any case.
     
  10. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Can't argue against that! Wilder is obviously a power puncher, but I don't believes his power is as special as some make it out to be. I don't for a second believe his power is greater than that of Anthony Joshua's, Wladimir Klitschko's, Dillian Whyte's and even Johann Duhaupas's. So although he isn't a light hitter, he also isn't some special one punch knockout artist who's power surpasses everybody else's. Otherwise, he wouldn't have failed to drop a guy (Duhaupas) in 11 rounds, who was dropped by a feather fisted cruiser weight. Or he wouldn't have needed 9 rounds to BARELY KO a guy (Eric Molina), who was KO'ed twice in the first round previously and he wouldn't have struggled to keep that Molina down for the count.
     
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  11. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder lands a lot of rabbit punches (punches behind the ear and in the back of the head). He also lands punches with the wrist, forearm and etc. All which are illegal!
     
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  12. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe, maybe not. But my question is, what evidence suggests he has GREATER punching power than other boxers?

    It seems like you've answered this question with the following statement:

    "Based on one fight going the distance I guess. "

    Now explain, how does over 80% of Wilder's opponents, failing to last the distance against Wilder, prove Wilder has more power than every other heavyweight, when they've all been stopped / KO'ed by other boxers?

    The only opponent ONLY Wilder KO'ed / stopped legitimately, is Luis Ortiz that was 40+ years old and had high blood pressure, that didn't even have the stamina, legs or the youth to compete at a high level for more than 7 rounds. Other than that, all of Wilder's opponents have been stopped by others. And some, even more brutally than how Wilder stopped them.

    So again I ask, how does Wilder stopping a bunch of guys that have been stopped before by other guys at least once, if not multiple times, prove Wilder is the hardest puncher?

    If I fight Amir Khan 40 times and KO him 40 times whilst boasting a whooping 100% KO record, does that prove I'm a more powerful puncher than every other guy with a lower stoppage percentage? Since nobody would have lasted the distance with me! And since your reasoning suggests that because the fewest number of opponents have lasted the distance with Wilder, it somehow is supposed to prove he hits harder than others.
     
  13. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok. Well he has fought alot of Tomatoe cans but has a satisfying KO%. Yes, the Malik Scott fight was a total fix - I called it 100% accurate-but he his power has not shown to be anything but real.
     
  14. Rumsfeld

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    Yeah, he does land a fair share of rabbit punches, and the like, but so do a lot of boxers, and for better or worse, that's the type of thing that referees often miss calling in fights for as long as I've watched boxing.
     
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  15. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Quality of opposition needs to be considered in assessing the level of power. If somebody knocks out a bunch of inept, completely overmatched fighters, like Wilder did in his first 30 fights, this means next to nothing. And, if he then "steps it up" to carefully selected journeymen, washed up name opponents and mediocre fringe contenders who have in most cases been knocked out - many multiple times - this raises MORE questions about the quality of his "power."

    Oh, and knocking out high blood pressure patient Grandpa Ortiz doesn't mean as much as most seem think. He's as overrated as Wilder, possibly moreso.
     
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