Why do European fighters fight for a belt years after their N. American counterparts?

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  1. 168 lbs

    168 lbs Guest

    Take Sartison, for example; he is 28 and fighting Kessler, hopefully for an WBA belt. Meanwhile, a feller like Dawson has fought for a belt at 24!

    North Americans tend to step up 2-3 years earlier than their European counterparts; why is that?
     
  2. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    Safe buildup perhaps?!
     
  3. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    could do with some more examples really, cuz as soon as i read that i thought prince naseem

    if it really is the case then its an interesting question, but cant base it off one example
     
  4. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    Because Americans get the oppertunity to fight for the american corps, only really do the Euros get the chance for WBO. The american belts especially WBC dont want thier titles leaving the country.
     
  5. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    BTW Marco Huck was about 23 in his fight against Cunningham...
     
  6. 168 lbs

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    The North Americans often have the same number of fights as their European counterparts when gunning for a belt, but they do it earlier. How does that suggest the Europeans have a safer climb-up?
     
  7. 168 lbs

    168 lbs Guest

    More examples: Witter's next opponent is 24.
     
  8. 168 lbs

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    I figure it's to do with the fact that Europeans sell better when they have a perfect record whereas North Americans are more likely to be thrown in at the deep end early, even if they don't have a great chance of winning. Keeping that "0" is not as important as having fought big names.
     
  9. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    Many US Boxers do not have big names in their record up to a certain level, for example Pavlik.
     
  10. Muskyrat

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    Europeans are definitely nursed by their promoters
     
  11. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    :good
    Ive said this for years.
    Before the IBF/WBO,the WBC/WBA titles were pretty much the American titles,and it was far harder for non Americans to get world title shots.

    They would,in general,fight each other and it would be called a 'World title',While Euros would be fighting each other,but it would just be called British,Commonwealth,European etc.
    Pissed me off as a kid that,and now i hate it when the WBO gets maligned,as it allows deserving Euros to fight for a nominal world title,without going through the lesser belts.Which is something Americans have never had to do.

    EDIT;I'll add an example to this;
    **** like johnny bumphus got a WBA title fight after 21 fights
    The infinitely better Herol Graham,got a WBA ELIMINATOR after 39 fights!Ridiculous.
    Thats not an exceptional case,thats how it was.
    Oh Bumphus lost his first defence to the Great Gene Hatcher,who had only 24 fights himself,with 2 losses.Americans had to have more champs because they were mostly just fighting each other after about 20 odd fights.
    I'd have hated to have been a Euro fighter in those days watching that ****,while i was having to be contented defending my European title over and over.


    :think Im ranting over annoying stuff from my childhood,this is like therapy.
     
  12. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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  13. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    No its opportunities.
    Far,far easier to get a title shot if your from New York,than if youre from a small town in Denmark with the same skills and record.
     
  14. HolgerD

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    I guess the number of pro boxers available to promotors in the Americas is larger than in Europe. Thus, the risk taken by promotors business wise, in throwing prospects to the lions, is not as great as in Europe.
     
  15. MattMattMatt

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    Good analysis. US boxing has such a large history in the sport compared to the rest of the world so it is unsuprising when all the best known fight venues are in the country, the belts were predominantly held by American fighters and the biggest promoters with the most power are in the country. It is then not suprising that title fights would come along easier to the US fighters.

    I don't know about the case in general but maybe European fighters spend a little longer in the amateurs? I know Sartison was an amateur up until he was 22 at least and has now had 22 fights in 4.5 years. I know nothing about the US amateur scene so I can't really draw any conclusions from that.