Why do European fighters fight for a belt years after their N. American counterparts?

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  1. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    The fighter to promoter ratio is much lower over here, so a promoter feels the need to protect his prized asset a little more. Also, there is more politics in Europe generally, and it seems that you need to beat the world and it's wife in order to move up the ladder regardless of amateur pedigree and form, whereas in the US a talented fighter is spotted and fast-tracked along - ala Mayweather.
     
  2. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    I can go into this all day, look at the Heavyweight title during the Mob era, the title WAS NOT allowed to leave the US, the mob cant make money on a title fight being held in London or Paris can they? Yes they are based out of these places but its quite obvious really, WBO-world belt, WBC -American belt.
     
  3. MattMattMatt

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    IBF is American
    WBA was predominantly American until 1974 after which voting majority became Panamanian - which is still a North American country.
    WBC is practically controlled by Don King. Mexico is still a North American country.
    ...not to mention the mob influence of course.

    There isn't much European influence there, is there?

    ..and we were saying that WBO was giving opportunities to non-american fighters, so it's good that it is non-american as that supports our view!
     
  4. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Hes still right though.
     
  5. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Thank you,you too:thumbsup
     
  6. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    :good And,inevitably The WBO is maligned over the pond because it offers Euros some sort of opportunities parity.They dont like that.
    The best Supermiddle in the world(history?)was initially a WBO champ,so that doesnt count for some of our American friends.:verysad
     
  7. 168 lbs

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    Tim "DESERT STORM" Bradley - WBC Champion at 24!
     
  8. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    frank warren is overprotective&for the most part the rest of them dont have the pull to get young fighters world title shots.
     
  9. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    i dont feel it's becuase they are european if they fought in the us it would be difference.
     
  10. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, what about Povetkin and Solis? You cant really find any known American heavy weight of the last decade who has been as toughly matched as the aforementioned two heavies from Cuba and Russia.

    What about Artur Abraham? His rivals Miranda and Pavlik were still fighting opponents with records of 4-35 in their 24 or 25th pro fightwhen Abraham was taking on serious opposition.

    What about Rudolf Kraj who won an eliminator for a world title in his 13th pro fight? What about Alexeev who.................. what about Huck........ what about Haye...........what about.............. .

    You got my point,didnt you?

    As for Sartison he didnt turn pro when he was 20 years old like many American talents do+he isnt the most marketable person out there which severley limits his career in the paid ranks. He is no draw in Germany at all,and hardly known even among box aficionados. Therefore his promoter has not been that keen on spending big bucks on decent opponents up to now.
    Luckily,Kessler was looking for a beatable fighter with a decent fight record. Otherwise, Sartison would never had got a shot at a world title in the first place.

    You also have to take into account that fighters who are based outside the USA,GB,or Germany do not have the chance to face any world wide known opposition as easily as their counterparts in the aforementioned countries.
    A good Russian based boxer seldom has the chance to make noise outside his native soil.And last but not least most American and German based fighters have padded records full of bums with more or less decent looking records.
    As a general rule you can say that a russian fighter with a record of 6-16 surely plays in the same league as most american or german fighters with records of 20-10.
    An American journeyman can beat up a couple of no-hopers in his local area making his record look like a good club fighter. A Russian fighter cant do the same.There are not that many bums fighting in the pro ranks in Russia as they do over there in the usa. Therefore it is more likely that he will come up against stiff opposition early in his career.
     
  11. Vanihm

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    The problem is that many promoters suck up to cable networks like Showtime who are impatient to get the "big fights" for their prospects even though they may not quite be ready. It also gives them more financial clout so they can buy their way into a big fight.
    The relative lack of media attention means that many fighters in Europe can slowly buid up their records without too much attention (fighting on undercards) wereas a guy like Lacy will have guys yelling "when is he going to step up?" all the time.
    Look at Amir Khan as an example. He got loads of attention in the media early due to his Olympic acheivements and now everyone is clamoring to see him fight for a title.
     
  12. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    :good And only 21 fights.A euro with the same credentials would 'only' get a WBO shot at that stage,which is why ive no problem with it.
    Well done Bradley regardless.:happy
     
  13. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Its not as big a deal now your right,but before the the IBF &WBO came along,it took a lot more effort and fights for Euros to get WBA/WBC shots,trust me;
    Americans would be competing and bumping each other off for 'WORLD' Straps while Euros would be doing the same thing British/European etc.
    The USBA & NABF belts werent and arent taken seriously so they didnt have to work through those for the big one;20 odd fights -'title' shot.
     
  14. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Easy: European fighters have longer amateur careers.
     
  15. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    do they?