Why do fighters that retired undefeated get **** all over?

Except for a few trolls, who really cacas upon Marciano here?

Not genuflecting before the man doesn't equate to caca-ing on him, IMO.

 

Because they are constantly overrated. The amount of times I've seen Mayweather referred to as the G.O.A.T., Calzaghe trumpeted as the greatest British fighter ever, Lopez placed far too high on G.O.A.T. Mexican lists (and often annoyingly suggested as "underrated), and Marciano argued as deserving of a high place on both heavyweight and p4p lists because of his '0' is enough for regular pushback.

Personally, I think someone like Mayweather gets a bit too much flak, but his personality didn't help matters.

 

Philosphers claim was that Mayweather's resume is the deepest of all undefeated retired boxers.

Is there an undefeated retired boxer you consider had a deeper resume than Mayweather's?

 

Give up that absolute nonsense about Ward-Kova 2 being controversial ffs. He had one close fight, gave an immediate rematch in which he was the better man and won. If you have a problem with that you're not a boxing fan. A Kovalev fan probably, but not a boxing fan.

And until his first retirement Mayweather was quite stellar. Sure, a fight with Margarito or Williams would have been nice, but is was by no means a Canelo-Benavidez situation.

His second career was more carefully managed, but still had JMM, Cotto, Canelo and Pac.

His resume takes a fly attracting, stinking dump on any fighter's since. And frankly I'm sick and tired of all the whining about his fantastic career.

Again, it separates the boxing fans from those who just get attached to certain fighters and hate others.

 

Not controversial ? So 3 or 4 low blows ending the fight is not controversial ok buddy.

LOL for me not being a boxing fan for calling out Ward getting a gift decision in 1st fight and then a controversial ending in 2nd fight where he landed multiple low blows to end the fight.

Seems like the only one who is "emotionally attached" is you for this embarrassing reply give over mate.....

 

"3 or 4 low blows ending the fight"? You can't be ****ing serious. What absolute tripe.

But, yeah, I might have become a bit more testy lately. In any case, this one I'm so dead tired of. It's just an automatic disqualifier in jy book.

 

Multiple blows below the beltline were landed hence their low blows according to the rules get your eyes checked or learn the rules or stop being "emotional attached" or be a real "boxing fan" since you like throwing them words around take your own advice.

 

There's just a bit of emotion when I call that for the nonsense it is. Mostly I feel weary. There weren't "3-4 low blows ending the fight" and you know it.

 

Kovalev is doubled over and pretty much finished with completely legal blows. Then Ward lands his two last punches, one who seems borderline but not a clear low blow and the last one which strays a bit low. That is accidental because Kovalev is bent over and Ward can't see his target, but more pertinent for this discussion is that it was one, not three or four, and while being the last one i was not critical in any way. The many clean, legal blows before that were, though.

He was done. It's ****ing delusion to claim anything else.

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I'll leave it at that.

 

If you want to defend a gift decision and multiple low blows then so be it i don't really care, i don't know who you think you are where you have the audacity to accuse me of "not being a real boxing fan" or being "emotionally attached" when the only one who has been "emotionally attached" is you coming in this thread being emotional because i called out some controversy in regards to Ward's career.

As i said get your eyes tested or learn the rules the blows that ended the fight were clearly below the beltline hence they're low blows. And the 1st fight was a total gift decision that the majority of the fans agree upon.

I'm done with this ridiculous conversation.....

 

@Bokaj

I've never had an issue with you before and if you want to disagree with me that's all well and good I just don't like the way you went about it.

Let's just forget it and put it down to both of us being passionate boxing fans who feel strongly about our opinions.

 

Fair enough. You're a good poster and I actually didn't see it was you when I first replied.

Certain often covered subjects might make me a bit more sharp in my tone or maybe it's just me who has gotten a bit more cranky with age, but this is just a sport we're discussing after all. All good.

 

All good buddy I like you as poster aswell and respect you water under the bridge.

 

"Deep" I take to mean a resume that has high quality. Lots of very good names who were in good condition+ranking at the time they fought.

You could argue Rocky and Ward had deeper resumes.

 

Do you rate Marciano and Ward above Mayweather p4p?

Of the 3, who do you think beat the more opponents ranked top 10 by Ring magazine at the time of the fight? I suspect Mayweather beat more than Ward and Marciano combined. He certainly won more title fights than them combined, by some distance.

I agree with Philospher, as I go down my all time p4p list, the first undefeated fighter I come across is Mayweather at #18. No other undefeated fighter comes close.

That's assuming we take Packey Mcfarland's record at face value. There is some doubt whether his sole official defeat, suffered when he was 16, was actually a fight involving him. I rank him above Mayweather.