Why do great boxers lost footspeed before handspeed?

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  1. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Re-watching Ali-Foreman, and its amazing how fast Muhammad's hands were. Even Big George was shocked, Ali was almost 33 and yet had lightning quick hands. On the other hand, Ali's feet were noteciably slower around that time.

    Same thing with Tyson, he still appeared to be quick handed in his 30's but his footspeed was gone vs Botha and especially vs Lewis.

    Is there a particular reason why great boxers who have both fast hands and fast feet lose their footspeed earlier?
     
  2. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Think it has more to do with stamina and reflexes. Ali couldn’t dance for 10-15 rounds anymore so he limited it. That and Foreman was excellent at cuting off the ring. To answer your question footwork may be more reactive which would be slower as opposed to any action a fighter may take. There respective reflexes are slower
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    General wear and tear? Everyone uses their legs more than their hands, I suppose that kind of extra usage can play apart at the highest level?

    That's all I got. @Gazelle Punch stole what I was gonna say. Stamina plays a big part. Ali's feet still look great in the first round of the Norton fights, not so much the last.
     
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  4. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    It's the same for everyone.
    Feet and knees support the body weight. They wear out quicker. You lose spring in your step.
    I'm about the age Foreman was in the last few fights, and my knees feel decades older than my arms and shoulders. :lol:
     
  5. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Could it have something to do with the fact that footwork requires moving your whole body weight while punching usually involves being relatively flatfooted and not having to move your entire body? Of course guys do punch while moving but the best punches are usually delivered while being relatively flatfooted.

    I wonder if moving your feet just requires more stress on the body than standing and letting your hands go.
     
  6. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    The stamina issue may be the case, but Ali was in incredible shape for the Foreman fight. Yes, the post Foreman Ali was often a bit overweight and out of shape. But in Zaire, Ali looked in as good a shape as he ever was. Otherwise he couldn't have survived those endurance snapping body punches.

    Yes, George was brilliant at cutting the ring. But i don't think he could necessarily cut the ring vs the 1967 Ali. The 1967 Ali had much faster feet IMO and that version may not have needed rope a dope. I believe Ali knew he couldn't dance away from Foreman, and it had little to do with his endurance, and more to do with age and a loss in footspeed.
     
  7. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Solid points as well...can’t beat Father Time always wins
     
  8. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I heard it’s because they do so much roadwork ....They say it’s better to jump rope . Saoul Mamby was a fighter who jumped rope instead of running and he never lost his legs . He was still fighting at 61
     
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  9. McGrain

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    It's the number of moves required. Legs are just a much more complicated piece of equipment and some aspects, like balance, are hidden. You have to work for balance. Elite fighters also tend to assume a certain posture when moving in certain directions in certain situations. It all adds up to a much, much more complex piece of work requiring many more actions or reactions.

    Consequently, it's also more learned.

    Throwing punches, by comparison, is simple and is essentially one message one delivery.
     
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  10. Jamal Perkins

    Jamal Perkins Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A great observation and something ive thought about a lot lately .

    There is absolutely no question foot speed goes before hand. If i may state something without coming off foolish or conceited...I had something of a nondescript amateur career and carried on hitting the bag until now...i still retain pretty quick hands as i had fast hands as a youth. But somewhere just after 35 the foot speed and comfort doing pivots went down the crapper. Id still jog and say to myself...well im jogging fine...youd think if i can jog 2 miles in 7.30m pace still...my feet ought to be ok..but nah


    Anyway going from a nobodylike me...to the greats...yes ...look at srl in the norris fight...before he got clocked at the end of the 2nd round and became gun shy...he showed blistering hand speed ...superior to norris..but rays feet were dead like in concrete and that along with his reflexes having deterioted from inactivity cost him

    Ali kept up the ability to punch fast longer than the same speed of foot
     
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  11. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    great post. I am 28 and love hitting the bag and i haven't noticed any loss of speed yet, but i am guessing its only a matter of time.
     
  12. Greb & Papke 707

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    Interesting Isn’t it? I’m not sure if it holds true for all great combat athletes, eg Dominick Cruz, Former UFC bantamweight champion, he’s 35 and his footwork and foot speed is still top of the heap, maybe it doesn’t happen to lighter fighters as drastically? Idk but it definitely seems to be a trend in Boxing, especially amongst the heavyweights
     
  13. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It's mainly stamina and nothing to do with the legs themselves. Moving on your feet is tiring and stamina is the first thing to fade as you age (usually). Also been in Zaire where it's really hot means you will tire quicker anyway. Look in the first round and his legs and movement were pretty much fine, but he realised he was going to burn out if he kept going.
     
  14. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    On top of what others have said, a part of being bouncy on your feet isn't even muscles, but the elasticity of tendons. That probably contibutes to it.
     
  15. Glass City Cobra

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    Probably has to do with him being a bantamweight in addition to modern medicine. A lot easier to maintain foot speed and agility compared to a 200+ pound athlete carrying lots of stockyness and muscle. Stamina plays a role too as heavier creatures burn up energy faster. No matter how in shape a heavyweight is he won't be able to match the work rate of guys in the lower weights.