Why do Idiots think Floyd Mayweather had more talented than a prime Roberto Duran?

I personally go back and forth on this. I think Pac fought and beat the better comp, but I also think PBF may have had a more impressive career. Like I said, I personally think it's a pretty close call and it's hard to really dump on anyone who chooses one over the other, as long as they are ranked fairly closely together.

 

Well all this post does is pretty much valid what I said, that the biggest difference between Floyd and Duran, it their level of comp. As to who would win between a prime PBF and Oscar I disagree with your conclusion, but the point is we'll never know. The same can be said about SMM.

 

Floyd's career is overrated where longevity is concerned - people make out that he's Archie Moore. The important thing that determines ones greatness where longevity is concerned is ring age - which is influenced by the quality of opposition and your style, and the number of fights you've had.
Floyd fights twice a year. He's also about that IV. He's a very defensive fighter. They have a reputation of lasting a longer time. Manny lasting at the highest level as an aggressive former light flyweight at the age of 37, being at welterweight given how his earlier career went just surpasses all expectations to me.
It's a Duran-esque, Armstrong-esque career in this fundamental aspect.

 

Oscars record in big fights isn't good while pbf is perfect. Pbfs speed stamina and movement would always be problematic for oscar pbf fought oscar at 154 on his terms a weight he had never fought at and won clearly. Id take pbf prime for prime in a big fight over oscar anyday.

 

This is a circular argument. You're saying no one can beat Floyd because no one has, and therefore no one can. And I'm saying as the comp improves he could easily loose and I think Oscar does have the skill set to trouble him. Hell he gave him a close fight even when he was shot, so we have a different version of what "won clearly" means. And many people who say the fight thought Trinidad lost that fight, so it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

 

Happy new year. I'm off to party.

 

it's only 1:48pm where I am, that's another 10+ hrs.

 

Oscar got robbed in the Trinidad fight and the Mosley rematch, the only legit losses are the first Mosley fight where he lost by a hair and the fight with Hopkins, an atg much bigger than Oscar. I don't think Floyd would beat a prime Oscar or Mosley, both were just as fast as Floyd and hit much harder. Floyd wouldn't even get a robbery, that's how good that era of welters were and you seem to forget that. Dlh, Tito, Mosley, Quartey, Forrest in their primes were leagues above Ortiz, Baldomir, Judah, Hatton, Berto, etc. Pacquiao wouldn't do any better. These were big welterweights and great ones too just as fast as Floyd with power. Floyd would probably draw with Ike, but he's not beating a prime Oscar, Mosley, or Forrest.

 

It's not about harder pbf has atg defense and a good chin. neither guy was as skilled as pbf nor did they have the ring IQ. Oscar struggled with guys like pbf even a shot pea gave him the business. When will people like you realize that pbf is on another level than the likes of mosley and oscar he's far more complete. His peers give him his due and say he's the truth why can't fans like you do the same?

 

I don't think his peers deem him to be unbeatable like you do. Steward made it clear that he doesn't think Floyd's in the same league as Hearns, never mind SRL. And Dundee out and out picked Duran to beat Floyd at 135 as did Lederman who actually scored the first Duran loss against DeJesus. These were guys who spent their lives studing fighters often in Floyd's weight category. And Lederman been judging fights since Jesus was in diapers

 

Steward was a pbf hater for years probably because he didn't go with him being from Michigan. Look at what other boxers say about him from Hopkins mikey Garcia roy jones paulie Hatton ward froch I could go on and on. The man is too smart for these guys his boxing mind is on another level.

 

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You lost a little credibility by championing Lederman's judging abilities. But seriously, of course steward is going to think the guys from his era were better. Most of the time old timers, think their generation was better.

 

I don't think Emanuel Steward as a hater. He was a straight shooter and he was around Bobby D.

 

When Floyd fights somebody as good as prime Mosley or prime Oscar then people will ease up on the Floyd criticism.