Why do Idiots think Floyd Mayweather had more talented than a prime Roberto Duran?

I don't think people have really taken the time to watch Duran's entire career. Amazing fighter.

In my view, Duran is the guy I would pick to beat Floyd. Even though I think Floyd could also win a decision, I think Duran would win the decision instead. Just IMO if they had a fantasy match-up at 135.

The one thing I always find interesting discussing a hypothetical Duran/Mayweather match up is: You are really talking about 5 different fights. Because these two guys could have met at 130, 135, 140, 147, or 154, and I think the odds change depending on weight.

In the end though, Duran was a beast. A machine. I don't know how a young Floyd would have handled Duran. It would be a great fight none-the-less, and one we'll only get to see on Playstation video games.

 

So that makes it ok? It's a duck. Fear, business, whatever. They didn't fight the man because they feared losing. That's reality. As they said "high risk, low reward." They feared Floyd stealing their thunder. So yes, they ABSOLUTELY "feared" losing to Floyd. Because once they did lose to him, they were no longer the Golden Goose. (Recent evidence supports this)

If they honestly thought they would win, they would have fought him earlier to put that notch on their belts. Reality.

All this talk about Floyd "waiting for Oscar and Mosley to get old" is pure nonsense to anybody who actually paid attention.

 

Whether you think they were 'scared' or not doesn't actually mean Floyd would beat them prime for prime anyway.
I think Floyd would have fought everyone until after Jose Luis Castillo rematch, because he had a close brush with loss and in the opinion of most, should have lost the first fight. He then wanted to make more money and his soft opposition helped with that objective.

Oscar in any case in 2007, think about that, doesn't that make you laugh? A 2007 version of Oscar is completely past it. Mosley in 2010 also haha.

 

Duran scientifically demolishing an elite puncher and HOF Pipino Cuevas:
http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=556203

 

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Very good point...!!!

 

The thread has nothing to do with what would've happened H2H between Floyd Mayweather vs Duran.

The thread states which fighter is more talented.

I don't see how anyone could say Duran was a more talented fighter than FLoyd. I've seen at least 30 of Duran's fights and he's an absolute monster. He has bricks in both hands and true KO power especially at LW. But to reiterate, this thread is about who is the more talented of the 2, and I believe Mayweather is arguably one of the 5-7 most talented fighters in the history of the sport.

As far as H2H, anything could happen. Duran could try to maul him and win just on pressure alone, or FLoyd could exhibit a style similar to Leonard 2 or Duran's fight with Benitez at JMW which people forget about. If you didn't sit in the pocket with Duran and moved perpetually throughout the fight, you could frustrate him. And FLoyd has the style to absolutely do so.

 

Pipino Cuevas was a very good fighter, but he doesn't fight anything like Mayweather.

And you mentioned in your earlier post that FLoyd had "soft" opposition post Castillo I.

Off the top of my head, he fought at least 7-8 HOF or HOF bound fighters after beating Castillo. And he did that 4-5 weight divisions from where he originally started.

If that's your idea of soft opposition, than you need to learn about boxing a little more. Putting in your personal profile that you're the 2014 poster of the year doesn't make you a know it all, just a pseudo narcissist with a rudimentary understanding of the sport.

 

I know he doesn't fight like Mayweather. Just looked at the Cuevas fight because I was thinking of fighters that turned pro at a young age i.e Cuevas at 13.

7-8 HOF's especially past prime/shot.

Hatton isn't a true HOF. He lost to Collazo IMO. Mayweather brought him up to 147lbs where he wasn't comfortable. Pacquiao beating Hatton at Hatton's prime weight meant something because Pacquiao technically should have been flattened. In fact, Pac should have been KTFO left right and centre and retired by the time he reached 140.

De La Hoya in 2007 is notably past prime. It's a comedy. De La Hoya...2007. The dude was The man of the 90's. Notably faded as I explained earlier.

Mosley was from 2010 - that's an ancient Mosley. A joke. Before you mention Margarito - that was in 2008 and stylistically it's a terrible fight for Margs, and that was Mosley's last great fight.

Pacquiao as I've lengthly explained was semi-shot and to even compete at welterweight is a joke that defies logic. Mayweather technically should have flattened Pac.

Cotto should not be a HOF. But he is a very good fighter, not as good as a Buddy McGirt for example (who won't be HOF) but still a very good fighter. Cotto was also past prime. Pac defied logic by dominating and demolishing a prime Cotto, and if you're going to go there, Cotto said he had absolutely zero problems making 145 and he felt perfect going into the fight.


Marquez was a pantomine fight. Mayweather unprofessionally outweighed Marquez by a few pounds in the weigh in. Marquez rose up two weight classes to fight him and was still outweighed massively in the weigh in. Marquez put on the weight terribly so was fat and slow.
Marquez was stylistically disadvantaged too. It was a freak show fight.

Canelo was a stylistic mismatch and around even this forum and others had Mayweather as the overwhelming favourite - the odds were unlike I've ever seen in the forums, but it's understandable as Canelo was the slow plodder who throws wide punches.

Mayweather wouldn't have had guys like me spitting truth if he had fought a legit ATG at or near prime. All the other ATG's fought other ATG's but that's not the case for Mayweather.

 

The thing is, I know what I'm talking about. Whether I'm a narcissist is not for me to care about, such is the idle talk of people who think too much.

There's a phenomenon based on judging fighters according to a higher standard because they are greats. Here, we're judging him against a Top 10 ATG, Duran.

 

We say this a lot but please if you can name any fighter in any of Floyd's legit weight classes that would of been the favorite over him? There is none!! From 130-154 there is not a fighter during Floyd's prime that would of been the favorite over him. The boxing world realized early that Floyd was a special, highly talented fighter. No amount of hate can change the fact that the kid has dominated the sport for 18 years and hardly any fighter comes close!!

 

Well I'll be careful there. Being a conventional favourite doesn't necessarily mean much. Floyd would be the favourite to beat a prime Vernon Forrest, but among actual boxing fans and not casuals, he'd be the actual underdog.

In any case, of the guys he didn't fight because he did the ultimate No Mas by quitting the entire sport for 2 years (Margarito, Williams, prime Cotto, prime Pacquiao), I actually think he beats all of them, and prime Pacquiao was a maybe.

Floyd is special. Prime for prime, I think he's better than (but doesn't necessarily beat) Pacquiao. I think there's only a small few in boxings long history that beat him: Napoles, Hearns, Duran, SRL, Whitaker, Forrest, prime De La Hoya.
Maybes are Chavez, Curry, prime Pacquiao and LMR. That says enough about how good I think Mayweather is.

This forum has the most illogical Floyd nuthuggers I've ever come across. Floyd should have had that at-or-near prime ATG win. If Floyd wants to defy logic like Pacquiao did by being at 140 and 147 and even getting the LMW belt, he should fight Golovkin. Then he'll get the respect from his critics.

 

It made perfect business sense, that's why HBO was pushing Mosley for the fight, and why Mayweather fought DLH a year later and broke the PPV record. Mosley just flat out didn't want it.

and Jones said both as in "DLH and Mosley" had everything to lose and nothing to gain by fighting a phenom like Floyd hence why the avoided him.

 

Mayweather vs Hatton, you say 147 wasn't Hatton's prime weight, well it wasn't Mayweather's either. Mayweather's best weight was 130. Mayweather had only fought at WW 3 times.

And you complain about when Floyd fought DLH well ask yourself who's fault was that?? DLH was the lottery was the golden goose before Floyd. He couldve called Flyd's number anytime and Floyd would have gave his left nut to get that fight. That's why he drug Floyd up to 154 and stuck him in a pair of 10reyes. If you have a problem with the fight not happening before 2007, then means you're porblem is with DLH cause he called the shots back then, not Mayweather.

 

Actually Mayweather's best weight was pretty clearly 135 pounds.

 

No it wasn't. He only had like 4 or 5 fights at lightweight before he moved up to 140. The first 27 fights of his career were at 130 including his masterpiece destruction of Diego Corrales.