why do many boxing coaches think boxing is damn different from other sports???

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by highguard, Dec 10, 2012.


  1. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We knew all about it in the 60s, its not new, having long talks with Eddie He was well aware of it. Every Sport is different, as any event is. Its taking it, a Sport and adapting the Principles, to suite the requirements of the Skill set of the given Sport, thats what is required.
     
  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My belief is that in all sports everyone is always looking for an edge, a magical formula -- and often a shortcut -- that will produce greater results because their way is 'smarter' than everyone else's.

    I am not convinced that any scientific advancement or newfangled training method has elevated any boxer since to the level of Ray Robinson, who's training regimine in his day would be considered neanderthal by today's standards. About the only difference it might have made was he could have won the light heavyweight title by being better hydrated (but not, at least in my opinion, better conditioned).

    But with boxing there's no way to tell -- you can't compare statistics or power in any meaningful way, except to say that I don't think today's punchers hit harder than those of yesteryear if you factor in the day-before weigh-in and guys ballooning up so that a welterweight might actually be a light heavy or cruiser when he's in the ring.

    People have touted different breakthroughs in all sports, not just boxing, and baseball is a good one to look at since it has decades of statistics that are probably more comparable than in other sports. Ted Williams batted over .400 in 1941 and no one since -- not through weight training, plyometrics, steroids or bee pollen -- has done it since. (Note: there were others before him, but in a different era with a different ball and other significant changes in the sport that make those statistics not comparable).

    You would think that someone with the benefit of all this modern science would have cracked the code by now and we'd have .400 hitters tripping over each other.

    Ultimately, the right athlete with the right skill set is going to be superior if he works hard no matter what kind of workout he does.
     
  3. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jessi Owens Ran 10.2 in 36 over 100 metres, on a Cinder Track. Those who Annalised it, say today on an all Weather Track, His Time would have been 9.6
     
  4. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interestingly, its something thats always interested me. Fortunately over many years of Trial and Error, I found the secret. :D.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I will trade you my Harry Greb video collection for the secret!!!

    :yikes
     
  6. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You got a Deal.
     
  7. 123ko

    123ko Active Member Full Member

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    coach alway talk fitness ,,fitness,, fitness



    a clever boxer will beat a supper fit boxer



    the problem is most coach's don't like change they want the boxer to listen and learn to improve ,,,but the coach isn't willing to make changes to adapt to the style of boxer in front of them its there way or no way

    i agree with using weights ,,light weights fast reps its about building the strength within the muscles you have to make stronger not bigger, where after quick reflex reactions to score


    don't like to say the coach is wrong he just trains different to your way of thinking
     
  8. Saintpat

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    Difficult to say without knowing the individual situation.

    If the coach keeps talking fitness, fitness, fitness -- ask yourself if perhaps he has a point. Are you as fit as you can be? If you have ever been in the ring, you probably know three 2-minute rounds as a notive amateur gasses you more than 15 rounds of training. Hitting a heavy bag for 10 rounds isn't the same as fighting for 10 rounds.

    I know this from experience: there are VERY few places worse to find yourself than in a boxing ring while tired against an opponent who is not tired. When you're tired, you're going to keep getting hit.

    Ask anyone who's had a lot of ring experience if this is not true: the best fighter does not always win, but the best PREPARED fighter almost always does.

    Once you get in prime shape, then it's 90 percent mental. If you're not in shape, forget about it.
     
  9. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    wtf?
     
  10. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Yea dude its sad.But i certainly dont have the stomach for that anymore.Let them think what they want.
     
  11. TVLPC

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    I'm not saying it is new per se, although I am surprised that a boxing trainer was aware of this back in the 60s/70s. Nonetheless, this was meant as a compliment to the trainers and fighters of yesteryear.
     
  12. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It, the principles, have been about years, the Old Timers, the Good ones understood them. Importantly they also could apply them, on the Shop Floor. I remember late 80s, getting a Phone call from a Proff, who told me they had found new muscles, me replying What, Him saying yes, they are called Cor Muscles and laughing. He explained its catchy someone will make a few dollars, out of the Gullible.
     
  13. TVLPC

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    Makes sense. Thanks for the reply:good