Why do people here think boxers can beat mma fighters in mma rules or street fight?

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  1. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    She chokes guys who don't strike, but here's my answer:


    Every grappling suffers from two major disadvantages, even that the first isn't really related to one vs. one, as we discuss, but you can hardly defend against multiple attackers. The second one is more valid, no matter how trained a grappler is, practicing it on a hard surface (what a street fight is) is a bit of a danger itself. And none of all that, including that BJJ is indeed overrated, means those styles are bad.

    "A boxer who has no clue on" is the same as "a grappler who has no clue on", but this is not "boxer vs MMA", but striking vs. grappling and I call it a draw.
     
  2. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you’re drifting the conversation to purist vs purist style, im only talking about bjj because its one of many tools a mma generalist could use. the value is not equal when a boxer has 0 rating across the board in different attributes of fighting.

    0 kicking
    0.5 clinch grappling
    0 Wrestling takedowns and top ctrl
    0 bjj
    3-5 boxing hands



    a solid mma fighter would have a 3 rating across the board plus boxing.

    i gamble for a living. no one i know would put money on a boxer vs any solid mma fighter. white belts get chewed up.
     
  3. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Ok, you're talking only about BJJ (which isn't "drifting the conversation"). Ok, fine, BJJ is superior, there's no chance any boxer beats BJJ or any other kind of fighter. Plus, you give solid statistics with the "ones you know", so I'm helpless against. Boxers sucks outside boxing.
     
  4. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    read the first post. how many examples do you need?

    for every one example you show me, i’ll show you ten.
     
  5. MAD_PIGE0N

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    You read my last post - your statistics and proves are outstanding. I've never seen better on this forum. *uck boxing, it sucks, shouldn't even be fundamental for MMA.

    By the way, I'm sure your "10 examples" will be the same as the BJJ girl choking guys...
     
  6. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i never said any of those statements, i stated boxing is 1 aspect of mma and can hold their own against a large percentage of the population . But they fall short against a grappler or mma guy.


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  7. outtieDrake

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    need more?
     
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  9. MorvidusStyle

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    Because in a street fight the MMA fighter doesn't know the guy is a boxer like in every official contest where they just take them to ground as soon as possible for that very reason.

    Many MMA fighters like to strike, even wrestlers.

    It's obvious that if they get into a fight with a man not knowing he is a good boxer and choose to strike, they could get clipped and KO'd.

    Here are some MMA fighters who would try to strike in a streetfight:
    Conor
    Wonderboy
    Masvidal (when he attacked Colby, what did he do?)
    Woodley
    Miocic
    Bisping
    Rockhold
    Etc.

    All have pride in their striking and/or power and would absolutely go for that first in a street fight rather than rolling around on the pavement.

    If they did that against a talented boxer, they could get nailed.
     
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  10. mark ant

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    Anything can happen in a bareknuckle fight however any decent MMA fighter would destroy a boxer the same size in the octagon, what hurts MMA fighters is their striking is usually poor.
     
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  11. Redbeard7

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    MMA fighters have a big advantage in a MMA fight but boxers have a punchers chance. One-punch KO artists like Gassiev (UFC LHW) and Wilder (LHW/HW) with 4oz gloves and no 10 count would be very dangerous (especially to weaker chinned opponents) if they went in with an all-or-nothing mentality in round 1. UFC fighters probably wouldn't be good at defending a top boxer's punches and seem to have inferior chins, and they'd have the pressure of potentially being humiliated in their own sport.

    Sanchez was very confident that Golovkin would beat McGregor in a UFC fight but GGG did have a grappling background as a youth. I think there's a very good chance he could have.
     
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  12. outtieDrake

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    i said there is a brief window where a boxer could connect, but you're not going to knock someone out easily who is used to sparring every day. Also the boxer has never dealt with kicks either, you can argue the boxer has some poor tendencies as well because he has no awareness for leg kicks. Look at mike Tyson's early days against low skilled boxers, he knocked them out sometimes within 2 rounds. that is way too long for a grappler who could shoot a takedown, and most mma fighters fall under that skill set of club boxer. It's a misconception by boxing fans that boxers can go in there and level someone in a few seconds. It's even harder trying to level someone who is constantly shooting at you or attacking your lead leg.
     
  13. outtieDrake

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    false, most mma fighters prefer to clinch and nullify the danger. Even if a boxer landed a punch , the mma fighter would pickup the sense that the guy can throw hands and act accordingly. A puncher's chance is next to almost no chance. A lot of mma fighters also have an instinct to dodge and clinch or takedown, even strikes. Also this workds the other way around, a boxer who has no clue about the mma fighter would rush in with his eyes focused on his opponents shoulders waiting for the punch and then they eat a rear high kick.


    Very rarely you actually see a 1 punch ko or a flatlined boxer without a ten count. Even a knockdown, increases the chances of the mma fighter recovering and shooting for the legs. mma fighters also eat heavy kicks and knees, having a good chin has nothing to do with combat sport you fight at, it has to do with genetics, look at Ngannou or Mark Hunt, both have massive heads and jawlines, they have granite chins, same is true in boxing , a small chin or small cranium equals a weak chin.
     
  14. Redbeard7

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    33 year old Sylvia seemed like he had a good chin (former two-time UFC HW champion, never KO'd before in 29 fights) but 48 year old Mercer (who wasn't even a KO artist in his prime) iced Sylvia with one punch, in 9 seconds. Whether they have weaker chins than boxers or poor punch defence, if MMA fighters get hit even semi-clean by an elite boxing KO artist (especially with 4oz gloves) I'd wager that they're not likely to survive.

    Although Ngannou improved a lot as a wrestler over his UFC career, a lot of his fights ended practically with the first punch that landed. Do you think Wilder would have had "next to almost no chance" of bombing out some of the guys that Ngannou took out between 20 seconds and 2 minutes? If a specialist is matched well he can have a good chance in a high level MMA fight.
     
  15. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    tim sylvia was 300 plus pounds and had gotten cracked by fedor prior. look at his physique and muscle mass was gone from his ufc days. he looked like a couch potato. Mercer had also just fought not long before that and won a regional belt from a european boxer, mercer actively fighting and heavy hands played a part .

    Mercer lost all of his kickboxing matches too its not something that is ever mentioned. Against 1 guy who wasn’t even good.

    Like i said earlier, for every example you have for me( 1 example) i have ten more.

    it’s funny to me that even pure world class wrestlers and bjj champions have to cross train to compete in mma, but so many if you think throwing punches is enough. No boxer could win an mma match on any level in the ufc. they would all get destroyed. Tyson fury wants no part of mma with Ngannou for a reason.