Why do people rank Chavez so high?

I think Chavez took it out of Taylor physically. Those short inside punches round after round. Even in the rounds Meldrick Taylor won he was paying a toll. Taylor lost his ability to take a punch.

Taylor did fight a great fight. A couragous fight. He took a helluva beating. He just didn`t have the concussive power on his shots that Chavez did.

 

Taylor won the battle; Chavez won the war. For what was considered a close fight by me, and not a close fight by miopics, it was one of the most one-sided beatings I have ever seen.

Chavez' fight against Rosario is one of true master classes of boxing on film. Virtuoso.

 

Eres un idiota del grado más alto.

No sabría buen boxeo si lo cogí por el culo.

 

Will NSBBSLCPEC replace YDKSAB?

 

If Count No Account deems it so.

 

Spot on. I must say, however, that I thought chavez sealed a win over Taylor with he knockdown in the last round. that was how i scored it the night it happened, in a bar full of taylor fans. It was close but Chavez was winning.

 

JCC did permanent damage to Taylor, who was never the same again. The time left on the clock has nothing to do with the win. It is just coincidence.

I dont like jcc but he was a good fighter. Got pwned by Whittaker and took a few beatdowns after his prime against odlh and Tszyu which he may have been able to reverse had he been younger.

 

The brutal fight took something out of Taylor mentally and physically, but I don't see career ending up much different, Chavez or no Chavez.

He goes up in weight to 147 and beats Aaron Davis for the WBA title. Taylor fought well in that fight, probably the 2nd best win in his career. He still is in a division loaded with talent, or about to be. Espana would have always been a style nightmare for Taylor.

Taylor would still probably fight on too long and take part in Philly gym wars. It's not like the Chavez fight alone made him the way he is.. He took lots of punishment in fights and probably in sparring as well.

 

I think both the chavez fight and the Norris match collectively hurt Meldrick. Not saying he was the next sugar Ray Leonard, but I think he could have done better.

 

People get hung up about JCC's early padded record against all those cab drivers - guys who could pack a lunch box but not a wallop. They sure did a good job of stopping his punches with their jaws. But if his record did not include those first 40 or so fights against the stiffs, his wins would still exceed 70 which is quite a bit for the modern era. Therefore, JCC well deserves all the accolades he has gotten.

 

Taylor never looked the same again after the Chavez fight. He fought a couple of tuneups. He was getting dropped by the likes of Glenwood Brown mutiple times and barley squeaked by him. I think the Duvas knew he was close to the end and cashed him out against Norris. They had to know he was gonna lose that fight.

 

If Chavez doesn't qualify for proper and true all-time greatness then we really are setting the bar too high, for me. I'd never have him outside a pound for pound all-time top 30, and based on the weight of his record and achievements I think there's a claim that he could maybe slip just - but only just - inside a top 20.

If you want to argue that he's a little bit thin on wins against genuinely outstanding fighters, then sure, I'd agree. So too was someone like Eder Jofre, though. Chavez similarly ran through enough very good fighters over such a long, sustained period to well and truly establish himself as a clear level above them, however. He didn't shine at 130 despite all those title defences (close call against Laporte, too) but once he'd moved to Lightweight he was pretty dominant for six years straight across 135 / 140, the Taylor fight aside.

Whitaker pulled his pants down, but sometimes a guy is just better than you, which was the case there. Pernell (in my mind on the cusp of an all-time top ten pound for pound) showed that Chavez wasn't quite that great, but didn't absolutely embarrass him to enough of a degree to remove him from the great debate altogether.

Did he beat a whole lot of good opposition? Yes. Did he have great longevity at the highest level? Yes. Did he often dominate his peers and divisional rivals? Yes. Did he at some stage always get round to facing the best / his closest rival to that title in four of the divisions in which he contested titles? Yes. What more do people want?

His record and career both look pretty remarkable from where I'm standing.