Why do people rate Manny Pacquaio over Tommy Hearns on their ATG list???

I don't believe in ATG lists but I agree, Hearns is criminally underrated at times. It pains me to see people rank Leonard so much higher.

 

No way Manny is higher on the All Time Greatest List. Even the loses he took overshadowed Manny's win. I would not place him higher however, Manny is not too far behind. Pacquiao is an extraordinary fighter by every stretch of the term. His skill level is low but his ability to consistently break opponents down with one solid game plan is unbelievable. Tommy would not be beaten by one type of style. Ray Leonard had to become a hunter, prey and hunter again in order to beat him. Manny would have been 5'6 prey.

 

Only *******s would say something as stupid as this.

 

Losing to Leonard in the ****ing 14th Round, and then coming back to draw him in a fight where most think he won hands down, and then losing in 3 to Hagler where he did the definition of "going out on your shield" and KOing the guy with one of the best chins ever (Duran) with (in my biased opinion) the greatest KO punch in the history of the motha****in world....


is something Pac will have to do a lot of work to surpass when it comes to greatness. And I don't understand how he gets rated so much lower then Leonard either???

 

I rank Hearns over Pacquiao.

 

I agree mostly, just a couple of things I disagree on - nothing major - but here they are anyway.....

Im not sure that MOST rank Hagler as the best ever at MW....

I dont think SRL & Tommy are equals - closer than some might think but not equals - as Ray won the primes fight by TKO & has that Hagler victory....

Leonard also outboxed Benitez so both he AND Tommy are the only ones to do it + Ray stopped him at the death also.

:good

 

He's several spaces below Hearns on my personal list. Not a knock on Pac, but it's pretty much just as you said. Hearns was fighting such a line of talent that he even trumps Pac who fought some truly great fighters in JMM, MAB and EM who are still his best opposition. Hearns was masterclass as a boxer and had had the same warrior heart that Pac had. I can't say Pac has his boxing skill or is H2H as good but maybe I'll think differently later. Sometimes they have to be retired a while before you really "get" the scope of their achievements.

 

As a man that likes all members of the fab 4 quite a bit, I have to agree, to me its very minimal between ALL members of the fab 4, I do tend to have Duran & Leonard ahead of Hearns & Hagler but its very very close & some posters seem as if they are plain taking the **** when dishing out the ranking of the Hitman.

 

Hearns must be rated higher than Pac. I have always wondered what the outcome of Hearns-Leonard I would have been if their was a 12 round limit in 1981. Also, would Hearns have worked his jab and stayed on his bike more if that groupie hadn't given him the ill-fated massage before the Hagler fight in 1985? You can always create a bunch of what ifs for every fight, but it seems as if Tommy has a quite a few. I still rank him a couple notch higher than Pac.

 

Good post.

 

I rate pac over hearns. I don't really like to rate guys who are huge but fight smaller men but is just me.