Why do people rate Manny Pacquaio over Tommy Hearns on their ATG list???

Because Pac won his biggest fights while Hearns lost them, notably SRL and Hagler.

 

Pacquiao gets a lot of hate on here but he was voted the best fighter of his decade and has accomplished things we might never see again.

 

There's no case for this.

 

pac is ATG but he does not rank above Duran.

if he beat mayweather maybe

 

As a massive Duran fanboy, I still rate Duran above Pac, so I somewhat agree.
But if you pit each other's resume, the only real advantage Duran has is his win over Leonard.
His no mas loss to the same person also somewhat tarnishes his legacy a bit.
And he has the least wins among the fab 4 too. The KO loss to Hearns is especially hurtful.
Pac's wins over MAB, Morales and JMM are also often ignored simply because they were done in the lower weights.

 

durans win over prime Leonard is A++ and elevated the quality of his resume by far.

Mayweather was pacs Leonard.

duran has no shame in losing to Hearns or Hagler. Especially Hagler

 

If I wasn't out and about, I'd detail exactly why Durán is greater, but I can't now. Call it a draw? Ill get you later.

 

I agree 100%.
Even if Pac wins over Spence and Bud, there's always that hesitation to put him over Duran simply because Mayweather defeated him pretty easily.
But if they rematch...

 

fair comment mate

 

By all means!
But you're preaching to the choir here really.
Duran's my all time favorite fighter, so I'm not changing my position any time soon too.
Duran >>> Pac.

 

rare to have rational people on here haha

 

Pacquiao has a prime Algieri and Vargas on his record. Hearns was called out by both fighters in 2017 but declined to respond - a clear case of ducking if ever there was one.

 

Ahhh. Errrrrrrrrr oops.
For anyone else... here's why it's wrong to say Pacquiao is greater. Wrong at best, ridiculous at worst.

Looking at their WW wins H2H, an old Cuevas is better than a mummified Del a Hoya, and Palomino would beat Cotto, for mine. Leonard trump's all on Pacquiao's résumé. South of WW, Durán has a clear edge. You can talk about Morales, Barrera and Márquez all you want, but none of them are beating Marcel, let alone Buchanan or DeJesús. Throw in Durán's wins over Mamby, Brooks and Viruet who are 3 of the best 140lbers inbetween Pryor and Cervantes.

Thurman is a very good fighter, an a great win, but Durán beating Barkley and Castro is better imo, simply because both the size difference is larger, and, in particular, Barkley has a better résumé than Thurman as well as being a 3 weight champ, iirc.

When it comes to ordinary contenders, I'd say Durán's: Davey Moore, Guts Ishimatsu, Hector Thompson, Hiroshi Kobayashi, Edwin Viruet 2x, Masataka Takayama, Lou Bizzarro, Vilomar Fernandez, Emiliano Villa, Ray Lampkin, Leoncio Ortiz, Jimmy Robertson and Alvaro Rojas, is a damn sight better than Pacquiao's: Broner, Vargas, Bradley 2x, Algieri, Rios, Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Hatton, Diaz, Solis, Larios, Lucero, Ledwaba and Sasakul.

Durán's résumé is leagues above Pacquiao's.

If you factor on embarrassing losses, yeah, No Mas is a bad look. But does it really detract that much? Same with Hearns, losing to Tommy so brutally isn't to be ashamed of, and he'd just gone the distance with Hagler ffs. I'd also pick Tommy to polax Pacquiao too. I wouldn't give Morales or Márquez a prayer of beating an on it Durán, let alone Bradley or Horn.

8 weights is obviously better than 4, but Pacquiao has never been undisputed, and if I recall, was never even unified. Also, If you want to say that Pacquiao started at 108, then I can say that Durán started at 118. Despite 8 being double 4, it isn't actually that much. The idea is that Durán and Pacquiao's first world class wins are at 126 and 112, respectively. Their highest are at 160 and 150, respectively. Meaning that Durán jumped up 34lbs to Pacquiao's 38lbs, giving Pac a 4lbs advantage. It's a win for Pac, but not a big one.

Durán was more dominant, he didn't really get by on close, debatable decisions, but Pacquiao was more consistent and didn't lose to a Laing or a Sims. Both Durán and Pacquiao lost to their best opponents, but Durán's opponents were better, Durán also beat his best opponent in both the best performance and win ever.

Peak Durán also massacres Pacquiao.

Durán > Pacquiao