Why do people say Tyson was visibly out of shape against Douglas?

For the Tubbs fight, yeah.

 

Holy **** after reading the entire thread you have some issues.

I can't stand Toney, Lewis or FMM but I knew then and now that I was watching greatness.

 

Life lesson here is that if you are going to throw out preposterous contentions, be informed enough or funny enough to back it up with something mildly worth the time of the reader.

 

This site has 2-3 very passionate Tyson haters who often resort to highly suspect modes of argumentation to disparage his accomplishments and pretend that he was never a great heavyweight.

 

I believe Wass needs to start posting in non-Tyson threads for his, as well as our sanity. He's a broken record.

 

hmmmm

Explain a preposterous contention you are referring too.

 

Unfortunately you will NOT find one Tyson nut hugger who would even consider acknowledging something as sensible, and unbiased as this post.

These people would rather disown their own kids than accept that their hero was NOT the god they believed he was.

The most pertinent part is out of ALL the garbage who leeched off the bully boy Tyson, NOT ONE of them ever prepared him for the moment when the other guy would come into the ring with the full intention of battering fukk out of him.

As a consequence, as you rightly point out the mental midget was unprepared for that possibility, and ALWAYS would have been. Douglas just happened to be the right guy, in the right place, at the right time. Any one of Tyson's previous opponents could have done EXACTLY the same if they had shown the fortitude that Douglas showed that February night in Tokyo.

BOTTOM LINE.

Tyson was NEVER EVER, either before, or after Douglas taught how to handle severe adversity. Which is why he collapsed like a puss puss, and got battered, then KTFO, when he did have to face it.

 

Case in point...

 

Yeah I see that I wonder why the emotional reactions to giving Tyson credit.

 

He wasn't out of shape.

listen, I like Mike but to say that he wasn't fighting as well as in his past years is ****. Mike was only 24 years old. I saw Mike and what he did with Carl Williams in Sept. 1989 and it was the same old mike.

He just ran into someone who was bigger, faster, more versatile, who stayed out f range and had him repeatedly at the end of one - twos and he lost and that's it.

like the man said, sour g****s

 

Mike landed one punch against Williams. A punch that had dropped Williams 4 times in his career. Jesse Ferguson dropped Carl TWICE with a left hook. Mike Weaver finished Carl with a left hook. Guess what punch Tyson knocked Carl out with?

Didn't take a genius to figure out what worked against Williams. It's hard to determine how Tyson looked in 90 seconds since we didn't get to see things unfold. To be honest, Mike didn't look that good.

 

That the Tyson who arrived in Tokyo in 1990 was the best version of that fighter.

 

The detractors don't see what you just described. You are spot on. The fight was way to short to show what kind of condition Mike was in, or how his defense looked. The Frank Bruno fight a few months earlier gives good evidence of his slippage, however.

I like to watch the YouTube video of Mike against Tucker which shows how good his defense was at his peak under Rooney, against a 6'5 guy with a good jab. Mike outjabs him quite often, while also slipping Tucker's jab. There is noticeable slippage defensively between that fight and the Douglas Fight. Hopefully, I am not the only one who can see it.

I also laugh when guys keep listing Mike's weight against Douglas to show he was in prime form or list his age. No, he wasn't "shot" like a body beautiful Saad Muhammad v. Braxton or Boza against Ramirez, but his reasonable fighting weight and young age does not provide evidence that his form was peak. His inability to bob and weave and slip the jab effectively is evidence that his form was off, however.

I don't consider myself a Mike Tyson 'nuthugger' like these venomous guys like to call anyone who contradicts them, but I have eyes, and I have watched a lot of fights, and followed Tyson's fights at the time they occurred, and followed the sport closely at the time. There was ample evidence that Tyson was not at his best, mentally or physically that night.

That doesn't mean I don't consider it a great win for Douglas. He did what he needed to do, and fought a great, inspired fight. His place in history is secured and there shouldn't be an asterick next to the win.

But, these same guys who deride Tyson, make excuses for Lewis getting bombed out by McCall and Rahmann. I guess they want their cake and eat it too.

 

It's really not rocket science. Tyson, chiseled and dense muscularly, either slips Tucker's jabs or beats him to the jab, all night. Tucker stood and out-jabbed Douglas, who had the same style as Tucker. Tyson, flat and soft-looking, no longer attempts slipping or jabbing and gets peppered with jabs by Douglas, all night.

The guy was close to gone in '88, completely gone in '90. He even struggled with Razor Ruddock twice after (after training harder), a guy he'd of cleanly out-boxed and cleanly knocked out four years before.

 

https://youtu.be/6_GvtIxhJyE

Do they have opticians where you live? Because you either have eyesight which resembles Stevie Wonder's or you are deliberately trying to mislead people with revisionist lies. Which is it?

Like all the other Tyson nut huggers you come up with feeble minded excuses for your hero getting thoroughly beaten by the better man, solely because he was and always would have been the better man.

What you and all the other Tyson freaks would be far better off doing is addressing your blind faith issues, rather than trying to discredit those posters who are sensible enough to realise myths ALWAYS get busted, and the Tyson myth was well and truly smashed in Tokyo in Feb 1990.

The reality is all of you are no different to all the other fools in the world who are brainwashed into believing all sorts of garbage by the few who stand to make the most money from your naivety.

Tyson was no different for the Douglas fight than he was for any of the other fights he had prior to Buster. He just got punched harder and more often from the opening bell, and being the one dimentional idiot he is, had no answer for it, except for one very good uppercut in the 8th round, and when that didn't work, he simply collapsed.