Why do people say Usyk is too small for Joshua and Fury but still favour guys like Ali and Holmes?

Flawed argument. How does Cunningham hit harder than Ali when Cunningham was pillowfisted at Cruiserweight ? Let alone against fighters over 200 pounds. He doesn't poses Ali's speed either and him getting up does not change the fact that he got knocked down. And you realize Fury got hurt by another right hand even after the knockdown right ? It was not a one off thing. Did you realize he was getting outboxed by Cunningham right despite possessing the huge size advantage ? And was down on the cards until he finally pinned down the slow 36 year old. Are you blabbering this nonsense from Fury fans you heard or did you even watch the fight yourself ? Fury himself literally admitted he had trouble with the "slickness" and mobility of Cunningham. Called Cunningham his hardest fight. He had trouble pinning him down until the final round. Cunningham isn't even as good as Chris Byrd or Jimmy Young let alone Ali

Cunningham would do well to win a round against late 60s Ali. Ali had quicker hands, had better head movement, far quicker feet, better latteral movement, hit harder, had a better gas tank and took blows from harder punchers than anyone Cunningham has ever faced.

Hell at least Henry Cooper was known to posses a powerful left hook. Cunningham wasn't known to posses any power at all, even at Cruiserweight. And 185lb 6'1 Henry Cooper would probably be a huge LHW by todays standards. Pretty sure thats Cruiserweight territory

 

No way does Fury punch hardder thanShavers or Foreman, his punch technique is awful and doesn`t allow him to put full weight into his punches.

 

i want whatever you're smoking

 

Ali was a cruiserweight. I overstated Cunningham's power but an overhand right is a powerful punch.
Ali stopped many smaller men. He never fought any man who had Fury's size.

Ali was knocked down by a light heavyweight boxer.

If Cunningham was so slick then how did Fury put him in a corner. Nevermind Fury's experience wasn't particularly high in 2013.

The Fury that fought Cunninghamwould have been flattened by Klitschko.

Do you have issues with reading and comprehension? Where did I talk about Ali fighting Cunningham?

I told you what happens when a cruiswerweight gets caught by a much bigger man.

I did not mention Foreman or Shavers. Fury will simply clobber Ali into submission.

 

lol, thats cool. type of **** i do, so i can relate. i once bet my car on the river card in a hold em game. and lost. pos car, but still, it was better than the bus.

 

Seriously?! Usyk was an amazing amateur and won olympic gold, he`s trained by the same team that train Loma, Fury`s punch technique is awful, look how wild and wide and slappy his right hand is, his jab is garbage he overcommits with it and is wide open to right hands, Usyk`s guard is far better, Fury is fast and long but really sloppy.

 

ydksab.

 

YDKSAB because you pretend weightclasses do not matter.

 

Prime Ali ws around 212 lbs and could bang, he`d have boxed Fury`s ears off, he was a far better fighter, Fury has an 85 inch reach but Liston had 84 inch reach and a far better, harder jab than Fury`s, Ali`s hand speed was far quicker than Fury`s.

 

When exactly was "Prime Ali"?

Liston's reach was fabricated.

Prime RJJ was quicker than Prime Ali. Would he beat Ali?

 

Those smaller men that Ali stopped were Cruiserweights like Cunningham so you're argument still makes no sense. Ali as a "cruiserweight" hit far harder than Cunningham and was superior to Cunningham in every aspect imaginable. It's no comparison.

"He never fought any man who had Fury's size."

Well we saw what happened when Fury fought somebody Ali's size and he struggled heavily.

Cunningham wasn't slick, that's the problem. He was outslicking and outboxing Fury though and Fury struggled to pin him down for almost all of the fight. Norton and Frazier kept low and were better, more natural pressure fighters than Fury anyway. Cooney was a natural pressure fighter/slugger and was way bigger than Ken Norton but it was past it Norton who had far more success walking down and cornering Larry Holmes, let alone a prime Norton. Cunningham was 36, flatfooted, stiff, pillowfisted and slow in comparison to prime Ali. Fury in his own words said he struggled with Cunninghams small size and his mobility. Im sure he'd have a hell of a time trying to pin Ali down. And who's to say he'd KO Ali ? Ali took hits from far bigger punchers than Fury like Foreman and Shavers. Just because Fury is big does not automatically mean he punches hard.

Im saying Ali would destroy and toy with Cunningham because he is better in every aspect. Thats why. They're worlds apart. Yet Fury "Cunningham's" Ali right ? LOL

 

@MarkusFlorez99

What does Ali fighting Cunningham have to do with Ali fighting Fury?

Ali was pushed on to the ropes by many men. Unlike those men Fury can keep him there and pound him into pulp.

 

Because i am explaining that he is levels above Cunningham in every aspect.

How would he pound Ali in to a pulp ? Foreman couldn't and he hit way harder than Fury. I also see how you disregarded half my argument. Let me say it again. Just because Fury is big doesn't make him a good pressure fighter. Foreman, Norton and Frazier are better on the front foot than Fury is. Cooney is bigger than all 3 of those guys but still couldn't trap Holmes on the ropes despite the fact that he was a natural slugger that loved to pressure opponents, yet past it Norton could ????? Despite the fact that he's smaller than Cooney ????? no that can't be right that goes against your logic LOL

Just because he pinned down old slow Cunningham does not mean he'd do the same to Ali, and even if he did who's to say hed "beat down Ali"

Are you also one of those brainless Fury fans that thinks he beats Lennox Lewis as well ? LOL

 

Foreman was much smaller and weaker in the clinch than Fury. Ali's holding behind the head won't work.

Foreman lost to little Jimmy Young.

Are you one of those brainless Ali fanatics who think Ali would beat Lewis?

 

He was smaller but weaker ? Foreman was strong as hell. What are you smoking. You think Fury is stronger just because he's bigger ? What does being strong in the clinches have to do with landing hits on an opponent ? That must mean Valuev is the strongest heavyweight of all time. Valuev DESTROYS prime Holyfield in the clinches. wait a minute he couldn't even convincingly beat a grandpa Holyfield. Vitali Klitschko utterly MANHANDLES Chris Byrd in the Clinches.... Wait a minute.... LOL.

Ali will slip 95% of Fury's jabs and outmove him. Fury will become the aggressor and Ali would outslick him. Fury corners him and does what ? Tries to beat him up ? Ali can just clinch with him and reset everything or outwork Fury like the inferior Cunningham did. He might even drop Fury will a blinding fast right hand. He outspeeds and outboxes Fury in one of his hardest fights.

Foreman lost to young because he struggled with slick fighters. But he annihilated fighters who came right at him. Common Knowledge