Why do people say Wilder has improved?

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  1. BrainyBoxer

    BrainyBoxer Member Full Member

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    Based on what? Breazeale who doesn't move his head or Ortiz who still outboxed him until the KO? I don't see how he beats Fury.
     
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  2. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket Welcome 2 Death Row: Free Suge Knight! Full Member

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    He has improved his timing and from the looks of it he stopped throwing wild bolo punches. He uses his left to blind and lead fighters like Foreman use to do also.




    Just those improvements will guarantee that the Gypsy Queen will get his clock cleaned for all of our enjoyment.
    :risas3:



    But all respect due to Fury for doing what many have not done and thats get up off the deck and keep fighting.
     
  3. bruce_keyes

    bruce_keyes Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he's improved as far as being patient, timing his shots etc. have u ever been hunting? sometimes u gotta chill and wait for the deer several hours, sometimes for 2 days, until you get a clear shot. This is what Deontay is doing
     
  4. Potwash

    Potwash The Real Untouchables Full Member

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    You don't see how he beats Fury? Did you see Fury on his back in the first fight? Well he does that again just this time he makes sure he can't get up.
     
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  5. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Giving him the benefit of the doubt. Experience always comes after a some title fights. He is hard to rate because of his opposition which is way below Tyson's in 1986-1990
     
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  6. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His opposition is hideously ****.

    Fury is in a far, far better place physically now. I wish Wilder good luck.
     
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  7. BoxingDialogue

    BoxingDialogue Member Full Member

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    He’s been working on that flying elbow kick
     
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  8. dawz84

    dawz84 New Member Full Member

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    You can spin it as patient and timing, I spin it as getting out boxed. The inability to do anything but use face blocking techniques, swing wild punches relying on his "power". All this 'power' but he couldn't put Fury down, the man with the questionable chin. Even a feather fisted cruiser weight put him down with a 30% KO ratio.

    When the man with supposedly the biggest punch in boxing history cant keep fury down, who's been wobbled multiple times, you got to start asking yourself questions.

    You could argue hes got this knock out record as proof of power, but when your fighting part time plasterers, builders, inactive fighters, what do you expect. Audley Harrison had 15Ko's in 19 fights till he stepped it up. Wilders first fight vs anyone of note and he gets a draw. :dunno

    Stopped bolo punching... what was the first thing Wilder did when Fury got back up. Swinging wild, couldn't hit him. Even gassed himself out when he was in the upper hand advantage with Fury ending the round in the better position... yeah wilder really improved :duh

    Obviously I'm playing devils advocate here, but you can spin it how you want.
     
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  9. eltirado

    eltirado Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What else can they say?

    Its easier than saying they were wrong...
     
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  10. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    With all that training and the fights against Ortiz and Fury, Wilder has definitely improved but to an extent. The Ortiz rematch wouldn't be a good example of Wilders improvement as a boxer but I think the Stiverne rematch showed just how far Deontay had come. Will we see outstanding new skills? like Teddy Atlas was saying on this subject - no. However with experience comes improvement and Wilders made small improvements here and there IMO.
     
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  11. Funkdoobiest

    Funkdoobiest New Member Full Member

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    HAHHAHAHHA
     
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  12. chico g

    chico g Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have noticed Deontay's windmills have been getting better.
     
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  13. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia #IrrationalGarcia Full Member

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    I don't think his technical abilities have really but the way he fights has. He has always lost rounds and still does but it feels like he doesn't bother trying to win them, just treats the fight as a 36 minute time frame in order to land his shot a few times. Which I think is probably the right thing to do for him
     
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  14. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool "A long time ago, in a boxing ring far away ..." Full Member

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    I think he's showed a bit more patience, ring IQ and general accuracy of late.

    But bear in mind he was starting from a very low base.

    Very

    Low.
     
  15. dawz84

    dawz84 New Member Full Member

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    Why do you give him credit for Stiverne? He wasn't a fighter of merit in the first dust up let alone the 2 year inactive one in the rematch. He showed us absolutely nothing in either fight. Steverne lost recently at even a commonwealth level, their are levels...

    Its like the fight vs brezeale, talk about pointless. You could argue... well Joshua fought him, but it was his 17th fight not 41st :rolleyes:
     
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