Why do people thing Frazier's chin was glass?

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Critics always refer to Mike Bruce knocking him down. This was only Frazier's second fight. They also refer to Ringo knocking him down twice. This also discredits the myth Frazier ducked big punchers. First off Ringo arguably knocked down Chuvalo the only man to do. Something Frazier and even Foreman failed to do.
    So Why in the world do people say Frazier had no chin? :huh Not even Foreman put him down for the count. GEORGE FOREMAN. You need to understand something. Foreman is not just another puncher. This guy is a wrecking machine. Nobody (with the exception of Liston), not Tyson, not Lewis not even Tua come anywhere close to this guy's punching power, And Foreman had to hit him with a series of shots to knock him down. Frazier was overweight and underestimated Foreman. He also fought a dumbass fight just going into Foreman's kill zone without any plan. Also when he was hurt, he didn't clinch or circle foreman he tried to fight his way out of this. He also didn't roll his head with his punches like most fighters did. because of this those shots were all clean. There's not even 5 people who would've gotten up, let alone stayed up from the uppercut from the second KD. if this is the reasoning for these critic's argument, they're way off base. Oscar Bonavena knocked Joe down once. The second knockdown was a push and if you've seen the fight,(which I doubt some of you have) you'd know it. Ali couldn't knock Frazier down, Manuel Ramos couldn't, Jerry Quarry couldn't. Are you going to tell me that none of them could hit? Bottom line is this, to knock Frazier down, you needed to be Foreman or Liston. Or you had to have a shotgun, plain and simple. And while I'll admit that Tyson has power, it just ain't in the same league as Foreman's and those who think otherwise are fooling themselves.
     
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  2. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    liston again lol. you mention liston as a better puncher than tyson. **** off man.

    that plodder is the most overated git ive ever heard off. he probably wouldnt of landed on frazier, let alone ko him out.
     
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  3. grumpy old man

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    Frazier's chin was not glass. Stupid even to suggest it.
     
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  4. Bummy Davis

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    after the FOTC Frazier got staggered against Stander and Daniels briefly and then Foreman, prior to that he was dropped by Mike Bruce (I think) and Bonavena 2x but he got up to win and he got up 6 times vs Foreman....Big difference in Frazier from the FOTC and aftermath.... a swarmers style and a little bit off in condition and it makes for a big difference, a swarmer need condition to be Max because you can not mask it
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

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    please don't tell me tyson hit harder than liston. Liston is bigger, stronger, has more stamina. Liston could box better than him. the brute truth here is liston was 60's foreman and wouldn't have a problem with smokin joe and iron mike. even if you and heavy_handss can't accept it, it's the truth. you and heavy_handss are the only members of the liston overrated club. that club closed down years ago to lack of membership. Liston is not overrated, He's underrated because he is now just known by ******s like you and heavy_handss as just an overrated bum with no heart. but ask any boxing expert and they'll tell you liston was so much more than that. Liston had heart, an iron jaw, and so much more. just gtfoh biased troll.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

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    as i said the bonavena second kd was a push.
     
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  7. lepinthehood

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    how can he be underated when he is basically seen as the 2nd best heavyweight on this classic section, i never see a bad word said about the plodder, the man was a slow open target with great physical tools. but despite his offensive ability he would be hurt, schooled and ko'd by alot of the real top heavyweights.

    holmes would have a field day schooling liston
    vitali would punish liston for the whole fight.
    lewis would land his right hands and uppercuts all night maybe forcing a late stoppage.
    evander would get the job done
    tyson would even devastate the plodder and send him to sleep in a few rounds.
    Peak bowe would also beat lipton :deal
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

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    :lol: btw you forgot michael spinks. none of these men would beat liston except maybe holmes though i wouldn't favor him. how would tyson send him to sleep lmfao. liston is stronger hits harder and has a better chin. and liston is underrated in real life by ******s like you.
     
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  9. lepinthehood

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    tyson is quicker more explosive and more tenacious and dangerous in the first few rounds with a better resume than liston. u believe what angelo dundee said about liston being fast :rofl:patsch cant you read between the lines about a man hyping a fight.
    lewis has the 2nd best resume in hw boxing and picks on short men like liston for fun, he barely misses his punches and when your as open liston is for quick counters, you can only pick one winner, lewis!
    vitali also is a great outside fighter and while liston is trying to incoperate some sort headmovement to get inside hes already eaten 2 stiffs jabs and a right, that would shake him to his boots.
    If liston wants to brawl with evander let him do it, i fancy the quicker and tougher holyfield to come through in that one.
    When peak riddick bowe was firing he could fight inside outside, hooks, uppercuts whatever punch you would like to name, i got no reservations about picking bowe to land his bombs on liston.

    in real life btw? this is real life mate, what dreamland are you living in?
    ive seen sonny fight, and i agree hes dangerous, hes an intimidating character and all that ****, i dont think hes even close to been the fighter people make him out to be.
     
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  10. swagdelfadeel

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    dundee said that liston was fast after the ali fight. what would he have to gain. u think holyfield could outslug sonny. lmfao:lol: he's better than the fighter he's made out to be
    sportsillustrated has him ranked the 3rd greatest heavyweight of all time these are one of the people that don't underrate him. Sonny Liston
    "At his peak, Liston was an absolute destroyer (ask Floyd Patterson) and far more complete fighter than he is given credit for." sports illustrated they don't rate him on his fights with ali. ali is my favorite boxer of all time but i will admit both those fights were fixed. i know this for a fact. he's not even close to the fighter he's made out to be? lmfao you know nothing about boxing. he's made out to be an ovverrated bum so you're basically saying he's not close to being an overrated bum with no heart?
     
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  11. lepinthehood

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    you said only me and heavy_hands call liston a plodding bum on this forum, so you have undermined your own arguement again. liston isnt a bum, but he is slow, open and limited. hes not a top 5 heavyweight, not even top 10, hes not the fighter you think he is made of iron. hes a poweful monster with average skills, low speed, low defensive skills and a fighter who is not a problem to beat for top heavyweights. im not calling him a BUM, you are :D
    so why are you calling a liston a BUM? dont tell me ive convinced you so easily. i didnt even say he had no heart.
    Ur saying that!! :hi::hi: bye bye i cant have a debate with a conflicted soul like you :D
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

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    lmfao.
     
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  13. swagdelfadeel

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    even though foreman was slower, more open, and ALOT more limited you won't say this about him. i didn't say only you and heavy_handss i was just listing examples. and i never said you claimed liston is a bum and has no heart i said the media dipicts him as this. You're saying I said things I actually never said. liston was contrary to popular belief, a very fast puncher, and had a underrated defense, Can I see your top 10? If you don't think Liston has heart, you truly belong in the general forum with all the other kids like heavy_handss. he's no problem to beat for top heavyweights? lol ok.:lol:
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

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    no way. no way in hell does lewis beat liston with a chin like that.
     
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  15. lepinthehood

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    you didnt a grat chin to beat liston when your hitting him with huge shots that ko most men, see tua vs lewis, the soaman juggernaut soon found out who was the boss in there. and if liston gets ko'd by average punching ali, imagine what lewis would do to a sitting duck like him. remember lewis beats up bullies, he goes out and eradicates them. see golota, see michael grant. complete wipe outs. Lennox lewis is a very confindent man built on talent, an awesome puncher and wouldnt think twice about smashin sonny liston to the ground a man built on intimidation rather than true talent.
     
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