Why do people think Frazier would beat a prime Ali?

It could be argued that Frazier was more past it than Ali, especially given Joe's style and physical attributes. His most impressive win after MSG was over a depleted Quarry. Ali went on to many excellent victories.

 

He did!!!!!:hi:

 

Frazier would beat Ali no matter went they fought. He just had the right style and attributes to do it.

People talk about "prime" Ali as if he was bulletproof. George Chuvalo gave him a bruising fight in the 60s and Frazier was much better than Chuvalo.

 

Shocking thread. Your op is terrible. So terrible.

 

Frazier would always give Ali problems. I'm not sure which one I rate higher? Frazier over Ali or Duran over Leonard?

 

The one where Ali was p*ssing blood afterwards.

Peralta was a slippery boxer fighting an inexperienced Foreman. Nothing like Frazier.

 

In the early 80's, I watched the entirety of the staged Marciano-Ali bout from 1969 on late night television (and even took notes like a nerd kid the second time). It was specifically noted prior to the opening bell that Ali was susceptible to the left hook (also that he was an underrated counter-puncher).

Was he more or less open to the left hook prior to Frazier? Didn't really matter, because the left hook is what all his opponents knew they were going to get.

Even in the 1960's, it was commonly noted Ali didn't mind giving away body shots. The light hitting Mildenberger doubled him over with a left cross to the gut shortly before getting stopped that may have prompted Ali to get that one over and done with. He also said in the ring afterwards that Zora Folley hurt him with some body shots.

Due to the loss of athleticism during his hiatus, he discovered he possessed a higher level of punch resistance than he thought he had during his mid 20's.

Frazier supporters sometimes speculate that Joe could sustain the necessary work rate to score with enough of those hooks to the body a younger Ali gave away to nail down a decision.

Probably we came closest to what that would have looked like in their middle bout, but with less clinching and more dancing from Ali. Harry Carpenter stated that Frazier II was when he finally regained the degree of speed he'd been missing since his 1970 return, just in time to hurl those lightning bolt rights off the ropes at Foreman. He'd be too far away with his height, reach and movement for Joe to land his hook to the head and body most of the time. His lean was actually geared to elude the hook to the head.

Zora Folley boxed smartly, kept his ground, got Ali off his toes, and won two of the first three rounds with long range body shots and right hand leads. Frazier would give chase in the sort of track meet the younger Ali preferred. It would have been hectic for Ali, frustrating for Frazier, but Joe would have become the first challenger of the 1960's competitive and spirited enough to get a return title shot at Ali.

 

That's about the size of it, Frazier would always give Ali a hard fight, but prime for prime he loses.imo.

 

You don't think that if Ali had gone at Folley from the start ,he wouldn't have gotten him out of their quickly?
Because I do, Folley won those rounds by default imo.

 

Ali didn't mind giving the early rounds away, feeling his opponent out. He did against Patterson, Ellis and Chuvalo as well.

I think it was the right move against a sharp counter puncher like Folley. He didn't want to risk running into anything, instead took his time to time Folley's jab, and when he did that was that.