Why do people think fury beats a prime Wlad?

The statement is that Wlad would not be beaten prime for prime. You can go **** yourself. sit in the corner and play with action figure dolls. **** head.

 

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Dino ... :conf

 

They must be few in number, but those who do fall into one of these categories:

1 ) They are British and are letting blind patriotism to get the better of their judgement.

2 ) Their Wlad hatters. We know who they are here. Hi Dino:hi:

3 ) They know very little about boxing.

Sometimes it's a combination of the three!

None of this will matter. Wlad at age 40 is going to knock Fury out.

He's back to being a destroyer and is uncharacteristically aggressive with his words. He's also very motivated to beat this goofy bigot and avenge a loss in what could have been his worst performance in a decade.

 

ok fool...er...i mean Dino....one month ban bet with you. Fury is going to lose. you can spend the time cutting out paper dolls to put up in your bedroom.

 

Sure.

 

Spot on.

I also think that Wlad is cooking up a batch of whoop ass for Fury and that their second fight is going to be everything the first was not. You can see that Wlad was seriously embarrassed by his sucky performance against Tyson the first time round.

Damn, he is 40 and has nothing to lose. At this point he can only add to his legacy, so even if he gets KTFO it doesn't really matter so much.

 

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It doesn't make sense.

It was an extremely poor an*logy just to have a dig.

Roy was still a top level fighter when he fought Tarver, but he wasn't in his prime. Also, I doubt Roy would have knocked Tarver out even if he had've been in his prime. And comparing all of their ages was completely unnecessary.

You've obviously completely missed my point.

My point was to highlight Wlad's mindset. Since the knockouts he's been extremely cautious.

A few people on this thread are convinced that Tyson only lost because Wlad was completely shot. They think that in his prime he would have beaten Tyson easily. Now I don't agree with that at all. I think Tyson beat him due to his mindset, his size and his style.

The reason I mentioned Haye, was because many people class that as Wlad being in his prime back in 2011. Yet Wlad was extremely cautious in that fight, just like he was over 4 years later against Tyson. So I was making a point to people that Wlad was cautious even when he was in his prime, which to me states that he'd have been cautious whenever he'd have fought Tyson. Basically, Tyson Fury's confidence, style and size would always have been a big issue to Wlad, no matter when they'd have fought.

Yes, Tyson hardly did anything in Germany, and it was a lacklustre fight. But he out feinted Wlad and made him cautious and reluctant to let his hands go. Again, in my opinion, that wasn't solely down to Wlad's age. I think Tyson deserves more credit.

 

No, there's been slightly faded, faded, and then there's being completely shot.

Wlad is still a world class HW.

He demolished Pulev just prior to the Tyson fight, he signed a 5 fight deal with HBO, and most people predicted an easy win over Tyson and thought he'd be around for a long time to come.


What evidence is there to suggest that a 30 year old version of Wlad would have decapitated him?

There isn't any.

Tyson could always have psyched him out with self believe, his size and his style.

It's just a bad combination for any version of Wlad to have dealt with.


Your line of thinking is why I mentioned Haye in my previous post.

Look at the height advantage Wlad had over Haye.

Look at the reach advantage.

Look at the weight advantage.

Take into account Haye's chin.

Despite all of the above, as well as the fact that Haye was pressed up against the ropes for the majority of the fight, a prime version of Wlad was still extremely cautious.


I'd have given the young gung-ho version of Wlad who was stopped against the likes of Sanders, a much better shot of knocking out Tyson. Because he was much more aggressive, he was more confident, and he used a bigger variety of shots.

Those knockout losses affected him deeply. They were always at the back of his mind. He never used to hold as much or lean as much like he did after Manny had rebuilt him.

Again, there's no evidence to suggest that the older versions of Wlad would have had it within him to have knocked out Tyson.

Wlad keeps saying he's going to let his hands go in the rematch. But why couldn't he do it in the first match? Why couldn't he change tactics? That was nothing to do with him being shot. That's a mental block. It's all psychological.

 

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Don't do it with him, dinohelmet is a proven disgusting shameless bet welcher.

 

Sure, personal problems could have affected his performance.

Nobody knows what happens behind the scenes.

You may be right. But Wlad has been cautious in all of his fights since Manny rebuilt him.

I think Tyson would always have been a huge handful for a prime version of Wlad. I don't buy that he only lost the first fight because he was shot.

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Yes.

I followed the build up.

Wlad acted out of character.

Tyson told him that he looked like an old man and his hair was going grey. Then the next time I saw Wlad, he'd had his hair shaved high up the sides that I'd never seen before. Tyson also looked him in the eye and told him he wouldn't be able to lean on him like he was able to do with all of his previous opponents. Wlad has never seen anyone with self believe like Tyson before, and you've also got to take into account that Wlad's mentor, Manny, also held Tyson in high regard, saying that he would go on to rule the division. I think all of those things had a deep effect on him psychologically.

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Was he though?

I'd have given a young, early 00's version of Wlad a bigger chance of beating Tyson, than the versions of Wlad from the late 00's that everyone refers to as being prime.