Why do people think that size is an issue in Pacquiao vs Hatton.

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  1. Otodat

    Otodat Active Member Full Member

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    To quote eastsideboxing.com's Ted Sares

    "With Pinoy boxing sensation Manny Pacquiao apparently in firm talks to fight Ricky Hatton in May, he may be biting off more than he can chew, particularly if the .the match takes place at Hatton's natural weight of 140. Moreover, Ricky’s demolition job on Paulie Malignaggi signals he is back on track. As fellow writer James Slater says, “the mid-ring explosion figures to be spectacular.” Of course, the winner could/should fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. in a super mega fight of monstrous financial proportions. How do you feel about all of this?"

    I don't understand why the weight is being made to be that big a deal, yet again by most people. You'd think that they had learned a lesson from Pacquiao/ODLH. People forget that Pacquiao made a legitimate 147 pounds in his fight against Oscar; he came in at 148 and a half. Hatton couldn't even do that in his fight against Mayweather; he came in at 145 (Edit, it seems like there is a possibility that that might have been what he weighed in at the day before the fight. HBO doesn't clarify. Either way, maybe a better comparison is Hatton's fight with Castillo where it is definite that he weighed in at 149 on fight night, which would be a half pound difference between him and Pacquiao's weighin against Oscar, still very negligible. I'd prefer to use this fight as comparison because I felt he looked very slow against Collazo.). There is no size disadvantage in this fight. Pacquiao really does seem to have a unique body that has adapted stunningly well to muscle training.

    People also forget that reach is more important than height. Pacquiao might give up a couple inches in height, but he makes it up in reach. Pacquiao's armlength is 25", Hatton's is 20". That is very important because it means that Pacquiao is going to be very effective with both hiss hooks, jabs, and that lethal straight left that was catching Oscar consistently. Ricky Hatton has never had good defense, and Floyd landed his straight right on his chin ALL night long.

    Considering that they both have the same come forward style, I give the advantage to the boxer, and that is definitely Pacquiao. He has improved tremendously in his last few fights. It's one of the most stunning transformations in boxing styles that I've seen quite frankly, and I suspect that it's because he hasn't had to outspeed his opponents as much as he's moved up in weight. People write Diaz off as a bum, but the guy was a solid fighter and belt holder that had never been even knocked down I believe. Pacquiao outclassed and then KO'd him.

    Pacquiao has been moving very effectively recently, and if he does so against Hatton, and I don't see any reason why he won't, he's going to give Hatton a lot of problems. Remember that despite how good Hatton looked against Malignaggi, he eventually resorted to jumping in on Malignaggi and outtoughing him, instead of boxing because of Paulie's movement.

    Hatton is almost certainly the biggest challenge of Pacquiao's career, but people are making a mistake in thinking that size is an issue in this fight. I expect that 140 might possibly be a weight class where he might be at his best considering that it is the general midway point between 130 and 147, and he has looked fast and strong at all of them. In the end though, Hatton has excellent body punches and he is quite a strong puncher and tough as nails. This is 100% guaranteed to be a great fight. You can't often say that about a fight, but really is there anyway that this won't be a great fight. Just keep Joe Cortez away from this one :eek:

    What about you guys, do you think size is an issue in this fight? Or does Pacquiao's speed, energy, stamina, movement, skill, and reach advantage make up for it?
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I would say this is a 50-50 fight.

    Pacquiao was made to look exceptionally good by both Diaz and a drained DLH. He has yet to beat a live, quality opponent above 130.

    I don't think he has as many advantages as you make out. Hatton does have great energy and stamina, and his movement is especially underrated.

    IMO Pac's biggest advantage is the fact that he is a southpaw.

    As long as they get the correct referee for this one, you will see a classic encounter - Bayless (my personal favourite) or Steve Smoger will suffice, but no Cortez or Nady please.

    If this goes the distance, I feel you will see two shot (I mean that BTW) fighters afterwards, as both have had their share of wars.

    My prediction will be a late stoppage for someone - either Pac through steady accumulation or Hatton by busting the ribcage. Both have excellent chins, but are vulnerable to the body.
     
  3. Mike_S

    Mike_S Well-Known Member Full Member

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    People forget that Pacquiao made a legitimate 147 pounds in his fight against Oscar; he came in at 148 and a half. Hatton couldn't even do that in his fight against Mayweather; he came in at 145
    Your post loses credibility right there so I didn't read much further. Pacquiao weighed something like 142 for the weigh in and Oscar 145 odd, on fight night Pacquiao weighed 148 and a half yes but Hatton is nothing like as light as 145 on fight night. I wonder if that is a genuine mistake or just purely twisting it. Also, you say weight isn't an issue for this fight, but it is for every fight.
     
  4. Chert

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    i see hatton probably outweighing pac by about 4-5 lbs. other than that, they are probably near each other physically. i see pac coming in at around 149 while ricky will be about 153-154.
     
  5. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    pacquiao and hatton are roughly the same height too
     
  6. Otodat

    Otodat Active Member Full Member

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    I'm not twisting anything. I have the fight right here on my computer, and made sure to double check what Hatton came in at, and it was exactly 145, just like I remembered. I think it's your post that loses credibility, so maybe you might actually consider reading the rest of mine. If the weight listed on the fight wasn't the unnofficial weight like it usually is on HBO's broadcasts, then you might be correct, but I was going by what it said on the broadcast. Either way, Hatton officially did weigh in at 149 in the Castillo fight, half a pound larger than Pacquiao vs Oscar, so it's still a marginal difference when you consider the points I made in my thread. Lastly, you forget that Pacquiao probably moved far more effectively at 147, than Hatton did. He didn't seem to lose speed or power. That's the main point in my opinion.
     
  7. ShadowWorks

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    Pac has more skill and has peaked as a fighter, Hatton has peaked and is going downwards now, even at Hattons peak he could not match Pac's speed and fire power.
     
  8. GazOC

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    Hatton is usually ~152 on fight night.
     
  9. Chert

    Chert Ringside Potato Full Member

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    hatton is a big jr. welter but still a small welter at 152-153 fighting weight.
     
  10. Mike_S

    Mike_S Well-Known Member Full Member

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    On fight night? What source do you have? Like everyone else says Hatton is usually 152 or something on fight night and this wasn't even at light-welter.
     
  11. Otodat

    Otodat Active Member Full Member

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    I have the fight on my computer. The HBO broadcast. I was going by what it said on the prefight boxer comparison where the boxers are analyzed side by side before Letterman explains his "Rules of the bout". Usually HBO, posts unofficial weights, but they only have one box in this one, so it's a possibility, but I have to acquiesce that considering Hatton made 149 in his fight with Castillo, it's more probable that you're correct. Still though, my point is about the marginality of the weight difference because these weight differences just aren't that much.
     
  12. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Hatton was 154 on the Mayweather fight night, having been 145 at the weigh in.

    However, on the morning of the weigh in he did eat - usually at 140 he doesn't. So basically he was the same but allowed himself an extra meal + a drink.

    His natural weight (without the 8 week booze and junk food binge but out of training) is probably about 154, so he doesn't have to cut much really.
     
  13. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    You spelt Hatton correctly and hence FAILED at your own game :rofl
     
  14. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Size is still an issue with this fight, De La hoya didnt have it in him to make it an issue but Hatton is still super strong at 140, definately the most physically strong fighter MAnny has ever faced. If Ricky can put Pac on the back foot and sink in some of those famous body blows then we could see Manny hitting the deck.

    But on the other side, you havea fast southpaw who has a cutting punch and an incredible workrate, style wise Pacqiou is a nightmare for Hatton.

    I used to beleive Ricky is too big and strong at light welter for a Pac win to even be considered but Manny as he has proved, he is a freak of nature and a very special talent. I still consider this math up a 50-50 contest though.
     
  15. Mike_S

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    Well it was obviously his weight from the official weigh in then, if it doesn't say it is the unofficial weight then this is a silly assumption to make seeing as he's always been much heavier on fight night, it suited your point though...
    Hatton is naturally much bigger than Pacquiao, he always comes in, in excellent condition and enters the ring much heavier. I still think Pac will win but he might struggle with Hattons strength.