Why do so many American fighters claim foul play

But here's the thing- the overseas method gets results with limited talent. There is no way a nation the size of the UK should have so many world class boxers; the reason why is because prospects like David Haye, Junior Witter and Alex Arthur weren't dumped the first time they lost.

How many fans in the US bought Mayweather-Baldomir? :hey

 

That's perhaps what boxing SHOULD be about, but isn't.

But the American public put forth PPV money to watch Mayweather's certain victory. The British public didnt pay anything to watch Calzaghe-McIntyre, and the seats were probably dirt cheap as well.

 

I doubt the seats were THAT cheap, it was on the Tyson/Nielsen undercard....

 

ODLH v Yori Boy Campas?
Floyd v Gatti? Mitchell?
Hopkins v ODLH???

And if Hopkins v Wright wasn't an exhibition type fight, then I really, really don't know what is.

Shall I go on?

 

Because shady tactics exist overseas. Enter:The Kendall Holt vs Torres debacle. Hit in the head with a full can of beer.... pulled on the legs when knocked down- or ANY ricky hatton fight where he is allowed to greco roman wrestle his opponent- or any fight in a country that a victory ends in a riot.
It's really not that they complain that there is foul play- it is just that the odds are certainly slanted in the other's favor. But really I say that it is just homefield advantage (with the exception of if it physicially lessens a boxer's physical status [for instance a beer can to the face]) But I think Heckling outside of the ring is fine and the like. It is when a boxer has early weigh ins... or the countryman from the foreign country has unchecked gloves (Harris vs witter) that you really can raise an eyebrow and give speculation as to the shadiness of the circumstances.

 

Are you saying shady tactics/influences don't happen in the US?

Because I think there are just as many examples of Non US fighters getting screwed in the US as vice versa.

 

Anybody who gives any credence to Harris's claims of shady circumstances is, IMO, an idiot. It is pretty obvious to me that he has desperately been hunting round for the first excuse he can find just so people will actually bother to watch him again! If his cornermen were supposed to watch Witter's hands wrapped and didn't then whose fault is that? A cynic might say it could have been done deliberately as a ready-made excuse!

 

because their dicks go well with their ego?

 

The ratio is different in America. There are plenty of dodgy decisions/antics here, but it's also by far the biggest stage for boxing, in terms of actual scope and variety of nationalities, and circumstances of fights generally receive more press, so bad decisions are less likely to occur(even though they still do). The fewer times a US fighter or a fighter of some other nationality has gone to fight in say, Germany, there's a better chance that something sketchy might occur in that situation than a fighter coming to America. Green/Beyer I, Ruiz/Valuev, etc, etc. The majority of the time this isn't the case, but the ratio is higher imo.

That said, I don't think there was any foul play involved in Witter/Harris.

 

Very astute post. You're absolutely 100%correct and extremely perceptive Mr Kurgan!! Americans always dump their 'losers'

 

I am not saying it doesn't happen the other way around. In fact, it DOES happen to foreign fighters in America. Even AMERICAN fighters in AMERICA get played for fools. Boxing is a corrupt sport, unfortunately! That being said, American fighters have something a lot of other countries don't have. Mass Media to voice their complaints and grievances. All of these boxingtalks and doghouses and esb-ings are primarily American run and therefore can meet and interview with the fighters here more often.

All fighters who lose try to put a positive spin on the loss- or try to play it off to having an off night or foul play. Very rarely do we see a fighter say "Yeah, I lost to someone who is a better fighter than me. The ref called a good fight and I got beat." until the end of someone's career.

 

I guess that was to counteract Byrd putting vaseline on his gloves against Vitali...

Also, don't forget about the beer can that hit Holt in the head, although some people claim to have actually seen that one...