Why do so many K2 opponents complain about negotiations?

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  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's just not true. You're lying. Over the past few years, nobody has come close to K2. Nobody. Maybe if you want to look at King's entire career, sure, you'll match it because he's promoted thousands of fighters.
    Having options on a fighter is normal, yep. Signing a three fight deal, with a set location, purse and so on, isn't.

    I don't know how you can defend this absolute bull****.
     
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  2. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Let me ask: madballster, do you think it's fair that Tua would have made less money fighting for the world title, than against a national level fighter? Do you think Sosnowski deserved twice the amount Tua was offered?
     
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  3. Overhill

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    Where do you get that ridiculous 25M? You seriously claim that Vitali doubles Pacquiao's salary?

    And c'mon, stop whining about Tua offer. I agree he's should be offered more but I don't think that Tua wants the fight at the moment. He needs to get his **** together after that **** poor performance against Barrett.
     
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  4. Juiceboxbiotch

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    Because opponents want to be properly compensated for their inevitable KO loss.
     
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  5. Jack

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    I posted a source in the post above yours.

    The Tua fight is just one of many examples though. People are seriously arguing that the Klitschko's offer fair deals and that's just blatantly not true. I want someone to seriously defend them offering him less money, than he made against Cameron. It's impossible to defend and the reason I keep mentioning it, is because no Klitschko fan is willing to call their man out on it. Bull****.
     
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  6. Jack

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    That's never been the case in the history of boxing. I'm tired of reading this argument, like it's somewhat accurate because it simply isn't. When Tyson was knocking everyone out, nobody wanted massive amounts of money to fight him because they'd get knocked out. They knew what was a fair rate, they took it and if they lost, so be it. It's a risk. The Klitschko's don't dominate their opponents more severely than we've ever seen in boxing before, so I don't think there's any fear.

    When you get potential opponents all saying that the offers are bull****, you know there's a problem. Even quiet, humble guys like Valuev and Adamek who are just making an honest living without being greedy, are saying their offers are unfair and wrong.
     
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  7. madballster

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    Tyson back in the PPV heydays of the 80s and 90s generated big PPV and Vegas revenues. Each fight easily left $50+ million Dollars up for grabs. That made it significantly easier to pay challengers multi-million dollar purses.

    How are the Klitschkos going to do that when they generate something like 5 million to 7 million Euros per fight gross *BEFORE ALL COSTS*?

    Shannon Briggs earned $1.5 million vs. Lewis. Was Lewis ripping off Briggs? Was he greedy, just like the Klitschkos? Why didn't Lewis pay Briggs $4 million?

    (Source: http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/9805/one.htm )
     
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  8. Overhill

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    Sorry, I didn't see that. If that's true (which I highly doubt) Vitali made approx the same money against Sosnowski as Lewis and Tyson in their clash. That's hilarious.

    (So Tua screwing Cameron with less than 10% is fine but not other way around?)

    Give me a break. You don't give a flying **** about the financial wellbeing of Klitschko opponents. You're just on some weird hate streak on this week and hopefully you'll soon go back to making interesting threads.

    Now you're sounding like a pure hater which I don't consider you to be.
     
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  9. Overhill

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    Rahman made the same $1,5M against Lewis and the both fights were on HBO (ppv, I suppose)..

    Why didn't Rahman get more? Was Lennox greedy? :yep
     
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  10. Overhill

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    Hotel bills.. Let's put a hat going on ESB so their entourages don't have to live on street during the few days in town. :lol:

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  11. madballster

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    Yes probably he did, because I remember reading that Sosnowski found some marketing company in Poland that would gurantee to buy and sell 20,000 stadium tickets to Polish fight fans and haul them over in air conditioned busses. How many tickets would Tua sell? Zero.

    Regarding the $25 million. I understand you posted a source, at least now I know you weren't pulling the figure out of your ass. Check the bild.de link I posted, there's a proper breakdown of all revenues of the Klitschko fights. It's much less than you may think.

    International TV rights for 116 countries Russia, Ukraine, France, Spain etc. (without US & UK) bring in just 500,000 EUR. Tickets for a sold out stadium bring in about 1 million EUR. RTL brings in something like 3 million EUR. That's about it. Sponsoring and media appearances bring 500,000. Without US TV and without UK PPV the typical Klitschko fight offers a total pot of 5 milllion EUR to cover all costs and be split amongst both camps.

    Use Google translate on this link: http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/mehr-...-vitali-klitschko/geldmaschine-klitschko.html
     
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  12. TheGOAT

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    To answer the question at hand...
    Why do so many K2 opponents complain about negotiations?

    Because they want WHO NEX ?! WHO NEX?!
    They want who necks.
    Thats all they ever want. Vitali's 2nd turn is coming up i'm sure, would not surprise me at all.
     
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  13. Boxfan1

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    Because after the fight, they can't complain because of the wires on their jaws. So they gripe before the fight.
     
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  14. Overhill

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    :rofl:rofl:lol:
     
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