Why do so many people on ESB think Calzaghe is P4P #1 or #2?

That's ok though, I hear he speaks pretty good British.

But just wait until he finds out that he's only allowed to select from two thirds of the eligable British soccerball players atsch

 

I can't wait until Calzaghe has slapped Hopkins and Pavlik down to the level of 'low level American fighters' and he can get back to fighting Eurobums like Kessler :roll:

 

Nonsense. Remember what happened to Hatton? Thats what happens when Eurobums get giddy and think they can take on the top American fighters in the world. Calzaghe was smart he waited until Roy Jones and Hopkins got old before talking ****. He knows.

Kessler was a bum. What was he norwegian or some ****. Alot of boxing hitory there lol.

 

Kelly Pavlik...hehe

Worst possible matchup for Kelly. Joe has the edge in speed, workrate, boxing ability, defence, chin. Even Pavlik's size is not a factor at SMW. The only thing he has is power

Oh, and he has a girls name

 

So Calzaghes handspeed is better than that of a Gamboa? Or a Pacquiao? Or a Zab Judah?

 

Nonsense. Joe has the edge in slaps. He's fast because his punches pack no power behind them so he just throws wildly. Kelly would catch his ass with a massive right and drop him right on his ass. Defense? Chin? Umm Kelly fought Miranda and Taylor, 2 guys who were supposed to knock him out. Calzaghe fought against some Lithuanian and a reality show contestant. Didnt he get rocked by some C level fighters a few years ago? And you think he'd stand up to Kelly's right?:hi: bye bye calzaghe.

 

No. He looks fast because he slaps. He hits you with the underside of his glove,it looks fast, but it does little damage. He was catching that hungarian all night but did little damage.

 

Hungarian? What?

You don't know ANYTHING about boxing outside your shores do you?

Delete him

 

Whenever you have a guy with a 0 on his record, you'll get lots of people saying he's a P4P great. To them the results are everything. Quality of opposition is not really taken into account, skills & technique is not a big deal - all that matters is who wins. Joe is a good boxer with a great record - but he's fought almost entirely at home, and never really sought out world-class opposition. He's like Roy Jones with less talent and a more padded set of opponents. All we can ask is what might have been.

To really judge a fighter you need to look at his style & skills, and the quality of opposition, not just his record. That is a task beyond the will or ability of many people on ESB - and the general boxing media & public is far worse. That's why a lot of people rate Ali above Louis - Joe had an incredible record but he only really fought a handful fights that truly challenged him, and he lost a couple of those. Ali on the other hand went into lots of really tough fights against deadly opponents, yet managed to conjure out wins or 2-1 records against the odds. That's why he is rated so high by many cognescenti.

If Calzaghe really valued his legacy, he would have fought Jones 5 years ago, Hopkins too. If he had beaten them then we wouldn't be having this debate - he would have *proven* to be an ATG. But he didn't do that, he sat in Wales beating journeymen and the occasional contender. That's why he can never be considered a boxing legend.

 

That was a very nice post

The obvious mistake being Joe did have a deal in place to fight Hopkins 6 years ago. Ol Popkins sleeps on it and decides he wants some more pocket money

What does that tell you?

 

Very well said :good

 

Calzaghe won't be around for Pavlik in reality anyway. But Kessler will and Kessler will smash his Canadian ass all the way across the Atlantic and back. Pavlik will be so traumatised he won't ever want to visit Norway after that....

 

cause theyre still stinging over '76 and what we did to the redcoats.













just kidding.

 

Don't take it to heart mate, he's revealed himself as a spastic American that knows nothing about boxing outside his own borders

Kessler is highly rated on these boards in general