Why do so many people on ESB think Calzaghe is P4P #1 or #2?

I agree with Eubank, McClellan, Benn and RJJ, not so sure about Collins, and Johnson though. Collins got over-rated due to his 2 narrow wins over Eubank who as you say just wasn't the same fighter. If Eubank had been anything like the fighter he was pre-Watson he'd have knocked Collins out in the first fight when he had him all over the place...he just wasn't nasty enough any more. Benn is now under-rated due to losing to Eubank, Watson and Collins (twice) and Malinga who was actually a decent fighter and Benn was never the same after the McClellan fight, same as Eubank with Watson it just seemed to change the man. For the better outside the ring, but inside it?

 

Some of you people need to have a happy medium when discussing boxing.

I personally have Calzaghe at #2 with Pacquiao on my P4P list because of his win over Kessler.

However, Lacy was never that great a fighter. I picked Calzaghe to win after Lacy fought Reid. He got hit far too often, and threw wide looping punches. He gets big credit from me for beating Lacy, but not the same as he gets for beating Kessler and Eubank. However, his resume is a bit shallow in places. I rank him highly on ability, not resume.

And the "American bias" bit is a bit old. Too many American posters here who just like boxing and don't care about where someone is from. Stop generalizing and deal with the poster in front of you. Don't assume because he is American he has little knowledge, especially considering the content of some the posts and the posters who say this.

 

you forgot to mention;

Herol Graham
James Toney
Robin Reid (oh, hang on, he did....)

 

So many? How many is that "so many"? :think

I don't think so . . . only the Calzaghe "NUTHUGGERS" would claim that. :yep

I can understand Calzaghe being in the top 5 but No 1 or 2 ? :-( :blood

Why don't you put up a public poll . . . so we could dettermine how many and who are those people saying that Calzaghe is #1 or #2 p4p.

 

ive never seen dude but he has to be over rated... people sitting here calling the man an all time great and he doesnt get no love like that outside of the forums

 

eubank and benn have both publically said if joe was around in their prime he would of dominated exactly the same!!! i think they should know. i wonder what every1 would ov said if joe had fought jones and hopkins ( politics kept them apart)? people on here keep mentioning ottke! WHAT THE ****!!!??? why should joe go over to germany and risk getting ripped off just like robin reid did! ottke shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath as joe! Anyway i have joe at number 4 untill he whoops popkins! (number 3 then).

 

Just because Benn and Eubank said it, dosen't mean it's true. It makes them look all nice and humble when saying it and endears them to the public. As for Ottke, either Calzaghe should of taken a paycut and went to Germany to beat Ottke (in my opinion, he probably would of stopped him) or made Warren offer a very big paycheck to Ottke to come over to Britain.

Calzaghe has lost out bigtime for not getting the Ottke fight. It;s the 168 version of RJJ/DM. You could sawp 5 of the lesser fighters on JC's resume for a win over Ottke and his resume would look significantly better. He was also unfortunate enough to miss out on Collins, which would of been another good scalp.

 

Man every day a fcuking joe C hater makes thread about him here , prob 2 - 3 a day , if he was sh1t no one would talk about him , all u get r jealous yanks and other prats who do not want to hear the truth that joe C is p4p 2-3 .

I would say joe gets hated on here as much as floyld , the no.1 p4p .

Best of all i can't wait for the excusses when he knocks out hopkins .

 

Hell Yeah, I remember half of this forum riding Lacy for months before the Calzaghe fight. All of them backing Lacy, going on about his power. Lacy was the future of the division, an excellent fighter!

Then after the fight, they all called him an over-hyped bum.:deal

 

We all know Calzaghe would have beaten Otke. The fact, that he was not prepared to negotiate and take a raw deal to get to him definately hurts his legacy and how he is rated.

I agree with you about the bull**** comments that both Benn and Eubanks have made about Joe. I think a prime Eubank would take out Calzaghe via decision. A prime Benn would have been a 50-50 fight.

 

IMO Calzaghe's a top 5 p4p boxer Pacqquiao & Mayweather are 1 and 2.