Why do some feel Wilder has a tougher defence than Joshua next?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bailey, Sep 24, 2017.


  1. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    Good post!

    Maybe Wilder read BF24 and felt that creeping redness of shame coming over him. So he determined to fight the toughest guy not yet signed up for a fight: Ortiz. Good for him. Ortiz is certainly a step up from cab drivers, pastry chefs and winos from the alley.
     
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  2. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're the one who's atruggling here. You just criticised People for ranking Ortiz higher because he has the 0, and then claimed Scott that Chisora fought and Jennings that Wlad fought were better because they were undefeated. Try to be a little consistent in your own thread.

    You first claimed Chisora looked far better (lol) against Scott, when I made it clear that he didn't, that he only won by a bad stoppage in a fight that he was losing, you try to spin it and claimed that he fought the better Scott.

    And the rest of your post about Jennings was just a pile of garbage. There's nothing whatsoever to suggest he was better against Wlad than he was against Ortiz. He simply wasn't. Ortiz KOd the same Jennings that held his own against Wlad. And Jennings held his own against the same Wlad that destroyed Pulev.
     
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  3. Howitzer1888

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    Thanks mate.

    Ortiz getting a title shot is only good for the division. Perhaps the most avoided guy out there because of his high risk low reward status so good on Wilder to choose him after years of lame fighters.
     
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  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You getting yourself stressed here?
    Where have I criticised anyone? I havent and note that I feel an 0 raises things in a fight
    If you even look in this very thread, you will see how another poster notes that although Ottiz looks beatable, nobody has yet to do it which is one of the reasons for the fights appeal. The 0.
    You must be able to see that. You must also know if a fan that many fighters after a credible loss suffer further often more convincing defeats, which is what has happened with all the fighters you tried to put forward for Oriz.
    Yes I expect Scott was a fighter with greater confidence when undefeated rather than having lost in a round and you cant dispute that.
    I like how you no longer mentioned Thompson when I showed where he was in his career lol
    With Jennings, you dont think he would have been in a different mind set when challenging the champ as an undefeated fighter compared to when being used as a test after suffering a loss for another fighter.
    You cant dispute these things but im sure you will come out with a few more classics when you try
     
  5. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not getting stressed, I'm perfectly calm against your hypocrisy and spinning your own arguments.

    Ok, I probablymisread the first part but my thoughts on "O" stands. A World level Fighter wouldn't let a stupid "O" in their record effect their confidence and their performance.

    I only mentioned Thompson in the first place just to Show The stupidity of triangle theories, but apparently you are not bright enough to see the scarcasm.

    Jennings came in to the Wlad fight knowing that he'd lose, and was a huge underdog. After holding his own against the champ who was coming off of one of his best performances against Pulev. If anything, that fight improved his confidence. He later on called Out Wilder and was the only contender to be willing to face Ortiz. He was there to survive against Wlad, he was there to Win against Ortiz. Your theory couldn't be more wrong.
     
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  6. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Ortiz isn't just a bigger puncher than Pulev, he's a better talent as well. Better punch variety, better timing, better counterpunching, better sense of distance. Pulev's raw and basic, easily readable, and limited in punch variety. He also can't in fight, which is why he clinches like the second coming of Wlad. His jab is the only thing I can say is better than Ortiz's. In every other category he's inferior.
     
  7. Big Ukrainian

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    Ortiz is overall a better boxer and a far harder hitter, that's why
     
  8. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pulev might even have the best jab in the division right now, but that's all he has over Ortiz. King Kong is better at everything else.
     
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  9. JacobEr

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    I think that obviously, Pulev has only jab of course right now he has the best jab in HW, but only with jab isn't enough to stop the Joshua's attack. Pulev has chance if he can survive 5-6 intense rounds and Joshua will be exhausted.
    And other side Ortiz will be the most harder Wilder's opponent. Ortiz is big has punch and high boxing skills. And one more thing i have doubt in Wilder's chin, he was knocked down in amateurs at least twice.

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  10. Manfred

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    Joshua is fighting who he wants to because he had a choice between Ortiz and Paulev.
     
  11. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have no bloody idea and just like when AJ fought Wlad and some haters said he was avoiding Ortiz as Ortiz is fifty time the Boxer Wlad is right,has done so much more in the sport than Wlad right,has the better resume than Wlad right and he's also ten years younger than Wlad right?
    See how crazy some folk are when they perceive someone like Ortiz who has only fought Jennings to be superior in their mind to someone who ruled the division for over a decade and had a bad night against Fury.
    Ortiz and his "Cuban age" is as old as if not a year or two older than Wlad and he looked awful in his math room fights,I'm not just suddenly saying this either as I've always maintained that in Ortiz I just couldn't see what others clearly were,guess you can say he's the divisions bogeyman but nobody points out how he brings no fans,no money and no big title which made him the epitome of all risk and no reward and how these idiot haters could seriously say AJ should of fought Ortiz instead of Wlad are just plain bat **** crazy as the pay day,huge PPV figures and sold out Arena is just such a no brainier and another thing worth mentioning what Wlad did was highly commendable for such a long champion,rather than retire he did what all boxing fans love in passing on the torch to the younger champ that has shown he's worthy to take over.
    Take a bow Wlad.

    Pulev is rightly at the top end of the division and he's done more than Ortiz and so based on that I have to have him as the greater challenge.
    Wilder also doing the right thing in clearing up the road to Joshua,send Ortiz packing and he's there which is why I think he'll beat Ortiz
     
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  12. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not entirely true I don't think,correct me if I'm wrong but when Wlad retired the IBF contract stipulated that on no account could AJ take any other fight before Pulev,no choice in the matter at all.
     
  13. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's what you get with narcissists. I bet Wilder's going to have a rude awakening come fight night.
     
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  14. Manfred

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    He had a choice
     
  15. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Because theres levels in boxing and Joshua is levels over wilder who is going against a far more dangerous fighter than Pulev who will not out point Joshua for 12 rnds that's pretty much a given. What's not a given is will Wilder get by a refined heavy hitter? If you switched fighters and gave Pulev to wilder that's a far more safer fight,and then Joshua has the tougher fight. Pulev is very good ,but rest assured everyone will call him a bum when Joshua wins fast bc that's what boxing fans do...lol