Why do some of these boxers have so many amateur fights?

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  1. BoxingDialogue

    BoxingDialogue Member Full Member

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    Like Loma and GGG honestly it just seems like a waste of energy to have 200+ amateur matches.
     
  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond You're not going to do it for free Full Member

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    Because the records are inflated for marketing purposes.
     
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  3. Reg

    Reg Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, fighters spend years fighting for free so that they can be slightly more marketable when they turn pro. :duh
     
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond You're not going to do it for free Full Member

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    No not that. The skills are real. The opposition is real. Just the numbers. You really believe nearly every prospect has near 400 amateur bouts?
    There's nearly never an official record for the numbers. They nearly always come from the management / team.

    Even back in the day, kid Chocolate and management lied about having a 100 - 0 record to market in the early career. Sugar Ray Robinson was also marketed to have and 85 - 0 amateur record, even though in other places it was reported Billy Graham beat him. You think they don't do that today, when amateur boxing is hard to get a report on?
     
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  5. deyell

    deyell I broke my back. Spinal. Full Member

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    Because they want to win gold medals for their countries. If they win Olympic gold, they get guaranteed lifetime income from their government.
     
  6. notjustacasual

    notjustacasual Active Member booted Full Member

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    Because they are happy to hide in the amateurs fighting teenagers and getting a comfy wage off their governmenrs.

    Plain and simple.
     
  7. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, they are not amateurs at all.
    They get paid a decent salary to win medals in the international "amateur" tournaments.
    It's a sham.
    Anyone who is staying in the elite amateurs from being little kids to their mid-20s is getting paid and suported like a pro athlete.
     
  8. deyell

    deyell I broke my back. Spinal. Full Member

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    Typical dumb statement. Lomachenko won his first Olympic gold medal when he was 20 and everyone he faced in that Olympics were older than him. There are a few teenagers at elite amateur level nowadays.
     
  9. Eel87

    Eel87 Active Member Full Member

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    I often thought that. You'd think in 100 fights you'd have at least one bad day, especially in a 3 round fight.
     
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    chacal Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    They dont fight for free. They are paid by their countries. Who told you they fight for free?
     
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    notjustacasual Active Member booted Full Member

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    Whats the excuse for the other 8 years or whatever it was.
     
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  12. chacal

    chacal Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    this is the right answer. It is very comfortable to get a wage from your country for smashing teenagers in the olimpic selection matches.

    It's not so comfortable when you have real talent to turn pro at 15 like JCC did, or to fight a world champion at 17 yo like benítez.

    I know extremelly talented fighters in my country who just refused to turn pro, in my country they dont pay very well, so they squeezed the olimpics all they could and retired to become trainers at 30-33 yo or so. Not a single match as pro.

    Cubans are a different case, for obvious reasons. It's normal they have 400 fights in amateurs, national sport plus they cannot become pros. They are competing in amateurs since they are how old? like 8yo or so?
     
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  13. Reg

    Reg Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only thing that matters is the big amateur tournaments where we do have the fighters records.
    Obviously they get paid but not like they do in the pros. Does their popularity effect their wage sin the amateurs?
     
  14. deyell

    deyell I broke my back. Spinal. Full Member

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    To become an amateur boxing legend. And he did just that.
     
  15. Malph

    Malph Member Full Member

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    It's an Eastern European and Eurasian thing. Back in the day it was impossible for boxers from those areas to fight pro. Boxing there formed around strong amateur programs.

    Its changing obviously. Fighters from the former Soviet bloc can now go pro and have had some success with it. I'd expect young and talented boxers from these countries to increasingly turn pro sooner.

    I think its happening but is a process. It maybe never get like Mexico where kids turn pro at 12 but it will evolve to the more pro oriented direction. Basically evolve to go where the money is.
     
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