Why do sum people rate Pac above Calzaghe?

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  1. C HOP

    C HOP The World Awaits Full Member

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    Please explain why Pacman deserves to b above Calzaghe

    least Dan Rafeal got it right saying he is 2nd but why sum people rate pacman over Cal makes no sense considerin Calzaghes achievement in boxing!

    Pacman should be 3rd at least in the top 10 pound for pound but not 2nd
     
  2. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Achievment.....this depends on your definition. I can justify EASILY both cases. But since you are asking about Pacquiao, I will briefly detail why. He has won titles in 3 weight classes, he has beaten 2 ATG (Calzaghe has yet to fight one) and has been stopping the majority of his opponents. He does not have the versatility of Calzaghe, however, something has to be said for Pacquiao having mastered his very straight forward style (with some hints of variation) and running through other top fighters, even though they are fully aware of what he is going to do. You do not have to do everything well if you can do one thing so well no one can stop you. These are impressive as accomplishments.
     
  3. jaycuban

    jaycuban Cubans Do It Better ! Full Member

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    because he beats boxers we know of
     
  4. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    correct about the achievements..damn scary at 122 lbs.

    Unbelievable talent although not as skillful..Thats what PAC is ..a natural fighter..

    Power and speed combo..there is no one better in boxing today
     
  5. C HOP

    C HOP The World Awaits Full Member

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    But take Calzaghes side here , undefeated 25 years boxing , longest ever reign in boxing , 10 years super midleweight champ , still fought sum great boxers and sum bums but evrebody fights bums sum time , Joe Calzaghes got skills , talent , ability ,Maybe getting old but just unified the super middle weight devision!
     
  6. Larson

    Larson Paenkhay Full Member

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    Cus he's American!
     
  7. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No one counts amateur....and he lost as an amateur before. He wasn't unbeaten there.

    I see Calzaghe's side. But your post seemed to indicate you could not see Pacquiao's side, which seems hard to believe, unless you simply were not looking. You seem to miss alot....not an insult, but I wonder if you are focused so much on Calzaghe that you miss the obvious with other fighters. You did the same in your Calzaghe vs Jones analysis.
     
  9. Larson

    Larson Paenkhay Full Member

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    :patsch It was sarcasm
     
  10. C HOP

    C HOP The World Awaits Full Member

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    Yea i gotta admit it wasnt a question of insulting PAC just to be honest i never got to see much of him box so i wanted to know what he has done to make himself much deserved of this number 2 spot, n Clazaghe ive seen alot of him n i know wht he is about, that i agree but as never really seen Pac box i just really wanted to know wht makes him better than calzaghe and makes him so special apart from him been a hero in the phillipines to be honest with u?
     
  11. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the morales wins are very meaningless, its the first barrera win that does it for him. Calzaghe beat kessler, lacy and the eubank he beat was in much better condition that morales was.
     
  12. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, a better question is: why would anyone put Manny OR Calzaghe above Hopkins?

    Do you remember how everyone was talking about controversial scoring in BOTH of Hopkins' fights against the undefeated, top#1 prospect at the time, Taylor? Does anyone remember that B-Hop was P4P#2 at the time (in some eyes, after the Jones-loss and before PBF came up, #1!). Now after 2 very close, controversial losses (in 14 years), after a complete beat-down of an almost P4P top guy (Tarver) who was supposed to win easily, and then a win over the TOP3 P4P guy Winky... why would anyone put Calzaghe or PacMan above Bernard?

    Now what did PacMan do lately? KO'd Solis, a guy no one have ever heard before and outpointing a very passive, over the top Barrera who was beaten by a guy named Marquez just a few months before. Calzaghe did beat a very good opponent in Kessler, so he could be in the top 3 if we look back to this year. But in my book, where 3 things matters the most: overall skill level, carreer achivements and performances LATELY, it's got to be PBF#1, B-Hop#2, Calzghe#3, PacMan#4 and JMM in the top five.
     
  13. C HOP

    C HOP The World Awaits Full Member

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    yea i will start by given you the first lesson in snucker its pronounced snooker , :tong
     
  14. C HOP

    C HOP The World Awaits Full Member

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    Yea well i just gotta say reading most of your posts on Calzaghe you seem to believe he is one of the worse boxers around , maybe you should quit ESB if you believe calzaghe will lose to hopkins because you obviously dont like the guy , your just a hater ur more likely jealous sorry but kinda sad really!
     
  15. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    paq fights in opponents back yard and in the lions den .

    calzaghe fights primarily in the uk only giving him a big advantage.

    its not easy being the away fighter in your opponents backyard it evens things up.

    look at hopkins fighting a relative journeyman fighter mercado in quito.
    compared to fighting the same fighter at home.

    not enough credit is given to paq for this .