Why Do today's Heavyweights Throw & Land Fewer Punches?

Hhmmm, cherry picked? Could be. Chisora , Miller and Whytes fights ( I think) weren't of major promotion in the states. The fights I picked were based on the best of the 90's era.

Since Fury & Wilder both said they were two of the best of this era, then that was my criteria. Whyte & Chisora aren't rated tops are they?
I appreciate your response as if gives me a different point of viewing. So you feel that their styles is why punches aren't flyng in the heavies of this era? I included Haye & Wlad as the predecessors of AJ & Fury.

I wonder though...does being defensive minded really mean less punches? I'm sure if a thread were created on defensive fighters I could name quite a few who have thrown a bit of leather. But I digress...your point is noted: it's the styles of today that determine why fewer punches are thrown?

 

Yes they were, I admit that. My point seems to be overlooked as a result. Does being defensive minded really mean less punches?
My argument is that a different breed of fighters today don't have that dog in them....HW's that is.

Holyfield was fighting a BIG man & it didn't deter him. Tua fought a bigger man in Ibeabuchi, that didn't deter him.
Frazier LOL tried to fight a bigger man in Foreman, true he got trounced, but it didn't deter him from at least trying to throw leather.

I admit I am not a big fan of today's HW's. Tyson was always the smaller guy, but he didnt come in recklessly. His constant head movement and the Cus' D numbers style proved he knew defensive was critical, but it didn't keep his punch rate at 20 thrown, 5-8 landed per round.


How does a defensive mindset equate to landing less than 10 per round?

Haye is another example. When was he this defensive minded boxer? Haymaker the moniker begs to differ, yet I think he doesn't have that dog in him ...cause if he did...IMO he would've been today's version of Michael Moorer...strong puncher always getting dropped & stopped.

That was the kronk in him.Hit him & he wants to go get even or go out on his shield. Never recklessly.

 

yes I can make accurate analysis.

Because I used the criteria of picking the best of this era vs the best 90's era.

By your analysis, in order to pick high octane fights...I would have had to use B level fighters of today who aren't champions. Why?

If that is the case then I would have used fights like Cooper vs Mercer, Moorer vs Stewart. I read your words clearly, but IMO you are using the busy B level fights to compare then say I randomly chose. What is the definition of NOT randomly choosing?
My picks weren't random. They were based on champions who fought champions. Top contenders who fought to become champion.

I beg to differ. There isn't anything random about that. By today's standards yes Joshua is bigger, Klitschko, but by yesterday's standards Bowe was bigger, Lennox was, Ibeabuchi was...but it didn't stop top contenders from throwing leather.

based on the era before mines, Foreman was bigger, Sonny Liston was the BIG ugly bear, but it didn't deter that era of HW's from throwing leather and they witnessed the HW's go from an average of 190lbs to 220.

190 is so small today, they are called cruisers, yet the transition of bigger fighters didn't equate to throwing 20 per round landing less than 10.

But hey who am I to argue with the lot of you who feel being bigger means throwing fewer shots. And landing lesser....seams like an accuracy problem to me to add to the problems of today's HW's.

 

You deserve it. Said it better and fewer words.

 

No I wasn't being deceptive, or didn't try to be. I tried to argue with the best fighters, facts, numbers, statistics and what I got in return was a rebuke of even taking on the challenge and instead judged.

Hey, it happens. I respect your response, so we will agree to disagree.

 

And for the record.

My decision to use an avatar of Fury and Wilder wasn't based on my desire of either styles. It was based on their decision to be old school in negotiations.

They got it done. No talking about...if the money's right. Well if my promoter wants it.

Wilder came on as the aggressor, the heavier man played counter. Pretty good fight. they both proved their strengths; one is a pretty good boxer, the other is a pretty strong puncher.

But their size IMO wouldn't have stopped an Evander, Tua, Mercer, Moorer, Bowe, Golata, Lyle, Foreman, Frazier, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Liston to name a few...from throwing serious leather!

 

Serius Robney...work with me here, cool?

OK I agree, classic barnburners. But again...what made them that? letdowns.....modern...hmmm.....seams like when millions of dollars weren't negotiated, fighters risked their lives. But now...fighters risk so little. Don't get me wrong. I am happy to see fights ending with no on hurt.

IMO it seams a synonym for modern HW is indeed the words letdowns. That's the basis to my argument. Agree or disagree, like it or loathe it I just wanted U to know my purpose for the thread.

Modern=letdown. 7-11 landed per round=gr8 fight!

 

Since you're throwing clean shots, no low blows, I gotta come clean. Their was a sinister side to my thread . Wanted to store and catalog those who claim Fury Wilder was okay for low punchstats then a few months later they deride somebody for throwing few shots!


& yeah I think... the thinking fighter has evolved, yet the old school in me chooses emotions over logic. When old school fighters' skills were compromised the dog comes out. Rare exception was stated Manny Steward training Holyfield-Bowe II for a tactical approach.

With the new school, they seam content to coast to a safe decision on a regular basis. Nothing factual about that, just me deriding your era!