Why Do today's Heavyweights Throw & Land Fewer Punches?

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  1. Mendoza

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    You picked three high punch stats fights from the 1990's.

    Wlad for example lands a lot in the distance fights. Povektin throws and lands a lot too. Keep in mind Joshua vs Povektin was not a distance fight.
     
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  2. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    True, but given time I can name quite a few fights/fighters with decent skill going up against bigger guys . Using the era of 190lbs HW's succumbing to the successive era @ 200, then 220, 240...

    My point was to look at the top HW's of today & question their overall activity. It was the Fury Wilder fight that did it. While it was a decent fight, I just cant figure out how a man got robbed with landing only a dozen more and neither landing over 100...Did Fury win, sure yeah, but cant state it was some robbery with a disparity of 10-15 more punches. Just my opinion.

    & Wlad lands against guys who couldn't get in...or didnt have that DOG in them...
     
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  3. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stats are fine in comparison but should take Joshua Povetkin out as it only went seven, not really fair to compare it to a bunch of fights that went twelve.
     
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  4. 6'4south

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    Maybe it has something to do with efficiency. While boxing has always been called the sweet science, maybe training techniques are taking on new methods of training to increase their efficiency. Most other sports have. You hear it said in boxing all the time, "it take just as much energy to throw and land as it does to miss".
     
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  5. Dirsspaardis

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    Less skill, their conditioning is worse and no one wants to risk being ko’d.
     
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  6. destruction

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    Has this actually been proven though, the statement that the HWs of the 90s threw more punches than the 2010 HWs?

    This dude has cherry picked 3 notoriously high punch output fights from the 90s and the comparison point from the 2010s includes 2 Fury fights?

    You need more of a sample size than 3 vs 4. You would need to compare at least 100 big fights from then without cherry picking to 100 big fights from 2010 onwards to get some form of credibility with me.

    Tyson Fury is notoriously low output by any measure. I am sure someone can think of a very low output HW from the 80s or 90s to use to prove the opposite. How many was George Foreman and his opponents throwing in those fights during the 90s?
     
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  7. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Original poster data mined. Here's a counter example:

    Vitali Klitschko vs. Chris Arreola
    301 vs 86 landed
     
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  8. 305th

    305th Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If they haven't already, the classic forum posters will be along any minute to tell us why today's are rubbish.
     
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  9. OpinionOfACasual

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    But Wilder is the most 'Athletic' HW of all time......
     
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  10. Luis Fernando

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    As someone has already mentioned, we need a bigger sample size to come to a proper credible and a reliable conclusion. Cherry picking few fighters from both eras doesn't allow us to come to a complete conclusion and doesn't allow us to see the full picture properly.

    Also, most of the heavyweights today are bigger and subsequently bigger punchers. Thus, the fewer punches that the big punching heavyweights do land today, inflict more damage than the greater volume of punches past heavyweights used to land. If I can inflict more damage with 1 punch compared to your 10 punches, then I don't have to throw at the same frequency as you.
     
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  11. Jamzy ⭐

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    Because they're a pack of boums! That answer your question?
     
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  12. Tramell

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    One fight, wow. I never said there wasn't a fight to choose from, nor a fighter. I'm looking at the best right now. Fury, AJ.

    No data mined.

    I read the posts on bigger guys, less risk, as the reason....do you agree? Then why should some deride Wilder as skinny.
    Deride him as over rated with power, then what is the reason for the constant low punch fights of today?


    I named fighters like Haye over Arreola because Chris was never considered a champ in any regards, let alone the best. Haye was a cruiser, yet his punch output proved consistently low...as if he was a master at countering or a defensive guru.
     
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  13. Tramell

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    No.
     
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  14. Tramell

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    I agree we need a bigger sample size, problem is no one has given anything of todays's HW's outside of B level fighters or a single standout fight from a champ and chump.

    If need, I can give 5 more or 10 more, but why if there is no counter from today's top stars?

    Again I read you loud and clear...today's guys are bigger. But yesterdays guys were bigger than yesteryear's is that not true?

    And for these bigger guys like Fury...is he a furious puncher? Just a question. Does Fury inflict more damage? Did Valuev inflict more damage? Old Holyfield threw & landed more than a young David..and the crowd went wild for Haye's lack of punching. Was he fearful? or just another example of today's HW's?

    Wilder is a towering fighter, but so many posts, threads, topics claim his power is over rated, that he's skinny, so how does he fit under the too big to throw punches at category?

    As for your statement: then I don't have to throw at the same frequency as you...hey if that's cool with you, ok. Not with me.
    Be it NFL football, they'yre bigger & stronger, but it doesnt stop a running back from still trying to run down the middle, or a Wide Reciever from going up the field to grab it.

    Basketball, players are bigger, stronger, roided, yet dunking still exists. Just my opinion...to which is why I post..to argue our points, well mines if today's fighters make excuses, talk about the money, cry about home court, blame the promoters.
     
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  15. Tramell

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    NO I didn't cherry picked, because if I did, why not counter HW champs who reigned for any era to disprove?

    If You are okay with someone being a notoriously low out puncher with slightly less than impressive power, don't blame me for making note of it.
     
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