Why Do today's Heavyweights Throw & Land Fewer Punches?

So we're all agreed here? Tramell is a moron who cherry picks his data?

 

Klitschko - Pianeta
116 vs. 24 in 6 rounds

That averages out to 232 for 12 rounds.

You could find dozens and dozens of these. Original poster data-mined with blind bias.

 

Pretty much.

 

i miss the don king era

you had truley great heavyweight title match ups like
tony tubbs v greg page
holmes v evangalista
holmes v sugar ray cobb

 

The biggest flaw is you comparing today's era (which is yet incomplete) to the already completed eras of the 90's. I think we should let today's era (Joshua's era as he is officially the best heavyweight in the world due to rankings and due to holding the most number of belts) finish, before we compare it to other past eras that have been completed.

If you just take the Klitschko era (which is pretty much complete), then I think you can get a better and a more reasonable comparison.

Now, if you take Wladimir Klitshcko alone, he had a far lower punch output than many, if not all of the past top elite heavyweights. Yet, his knockout record is higher and better than pretty much all of theirs. Especially against top 10 ranked opposition. So is there any reason to criticize his lower output, when his punches are still enabling him to achieve one of the ultimate goals of punching, which is to damage and KO the opponents? How about questioning the lack of power of past heavyweights who used to throw far more punches than Wladimir Klitschko, yet, had far inferior knockout records?

This is the thing! Sometimes, a boxer will be forced to choose between power and volume and vice versa. A boxer who throws harder punches, will not be able to have the same high volume as a weaker puncher because of the energy consumption. In equal quantities, a more powerful punch consumes more energy whilst a less powerful puncher consumes less energy. In the end, a powerful puncher throwing 5 maximum powered punches may very well have used up as much energy as a weaker puncher throwing 20 light punches, despite the number of punches being different.

In today's heavyweight era, power is normally given greater precedence over volume (Barring exceptions of course).

 

Tyson Fury isn’t a HW champion who has “reigned” in the current era. He picked up all the belts in one fight, than effectively retired on a coke and drink binge.

Dude come on. Cherry picking one low output fighter and comparing him to the highest output fighters from the 90s isn’t a proper comparison.

How about the punch output in the Joseph Parker Andy Ruiz Jr title fight? Joseph Parker was a champion for more than one fight.

Punches thrown

Joseph Parker 560
Andy Ruiz Jr 416

Punches landed 119-107 to Parker

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other...joseph-parker-beat-andy-ruiz-to-win-wbo-title

I think we also need to see punches thrown as well as landed to see the activity rate of a fighter.

So how many punches were thrown in those fights you have provided punch landed statistics in?

 

Good post and to the point.

The Klitschko era threw and landed fewer punches, but those punches that landed were with greater force.

You cannot put everything into every punch thrown, otherwise you will gas. So those from the 90s era were throwing a lot of weaker shots and sacrificing power for volume.

This doesn’t prove one era is superior to the other, as everything is cyclical and evolves over time. Usyk when he fights at HW could go for higher volume and less power, and if champion this shows a return to the punching footprint and statistics of the 90s.

 

Klitschko fought 10 guys ranked in the Ring top 10 since he beat Chris Byrd in 2006. He stopped 4 of them , meaning he has a 40% stoppage rate against top 10 ranked opposition from an extremely weak era.

Joshua has 4 stoppages in 5 fights against top 10 ranked opponents.