Why do UFC champions have journeyman records?

How far back can we go? Actually I won't quote his first 8-10 fights as he was starting out ok.

Cans since that time:

* Lee Hasdell
* Yuji Nagata
* Wagner Martins
* Chris Haseman
* Gary Goodridge
* Ryushi Yanagisawa
* Hong-Man Choi

 

UFC champions are just made up personalities they are not real fighters. You take dana white he hypes the **** out of his cards then champions become household names but is not because of talent but because of promotion and people buying into that hype. But eventually the hype job is exposed they lose and dana starts all over again hyping somebody else. Other than GSP and silva i dont see any elite fighters in UFC or any MMA organizations.

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It's ******s like you that have made this site a troll breeding ground.

 

Then please explain why Andrei Arlovski, Tim Sylvia and Mark Coleman and those guys has lost equally as many fights outside the UFC than they did inside?

It seems to me that there are euqally good fighters inside the UFC as there is outside. You get some cans outside the UFC that people do regard as cans while you also get some cans in the UFC that is being paraded around as the baddest man in the planet.

UFC fighters are simply more well known and not because they are any better.

 

Because there isn't the same culture of mismatches in MMA that exists in boxing. You tune into an MMA PPV and you won't see "blue corner (16-0) vs red corner (8-12)". You will see even match-ups right through. Having said that, if you take a look at the UFC champions, (Who were mentioned specifically in the thread title), you have:

HW: Junior Dos Santos (14-1)
LHW: Jon Jones (15-1)
MW: Anderson Silva (31-4)
WW: Georges St Pierre (22-2)
LW: Frankie Edgar (14-1-1)
FW: Jose Aldo (20-1)
BW: Dominick Cruz (19-1)

This is the most dominant record of champions the UFC has had so far, so I think the sport is still evolving, but has recently taken a massive step up in quality.

 

dont like the truth ha.. MMA is street fighting with more money and promotion there is no elite fighting there.. actually there is more real fighting at the olympics than in mma

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Unlike Roy Jones Jr, who's ability to wear a punch was legendary.

 

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That's just stupid.

the only cans Fedor fought were on NYE: HMC, Nagata and Zulu.

Hasdell, Haseman and Yanagisawa were opponents in tournament format and part of his first 10 fights you supposedly excluded.

You can criticize the Japanese for making some fights that didnt make sense. But how can you call certain fighters cans without looking at context? Goodridge was a last generation fighter who was on a 7-1-1 streak before facing Fedor.

 

Im going against the grain here in thinking that the boxing model is FAR BETTER than the MMA model.

In boxing all fighters are experienced, have done the hard yards, and have worked through the ladder before even considered as someone with potential and definitely before being labeled as one of the elites. So by the time they fight other elites these guys know all the tricks in the book, know how to last the fight, and are extremely skilled in every facets of the sport.

In MMA a popular fighter fighting in the right promotion could be considered elite in just a handful of fights. This is why you've got champions who cant do more than 1 round in a 5 rounder championship fight, where you've got a fighter with limited skill set , and you've got inexperienced fighters being paraded around as the best in the history of the sport. While those who've actually done the hard yards and are deserving don't get recognized simply because they don't work for the correct promotion.

In boxing its about the fighter and his accomplishments, in MMA its about the promotion and how profitable that fighter can be that determines greatness.

 

Zuffa is the only promotion that matters and have the demographic on lock.
They are great businessmen which Top Rank and Mayweather wish they were. As much as I hate to admit it. SEG worked hard to sanction MMA, but Zuffa strong-armed UFC and made the sport popular. MMA wouldn't matter as much if it weren't for them.

Boxing would push shitty fighters too if they drew large buys. I.E Kimbo slice in MMA and Boxing.

 

Styles makes fights and UFC fighters nowdays mainly just face wrestler and BJJ fighters from America and Brazil. In the good old days of Pride you had champions from promotions all around the world compete in the Pride GP, you might have American wrestlers, Brazilian BJJ practitioners, K1 level kickboxers from Holland, Sambo fighters from Russia and the CIS countries, and Japanese Judo fighters. Dont be fooled with noobs trying to tell you that these guys are one dimensional, many of the top guys then are well rounded although they do have their strong discipline, just like today.

1) Heavyweight - Junior dos Santos (14-1) 1 loss in M-1 and 0 losses in UFC
2) Light Heavyweight - Jon Jones (15-1) 0 loss outside and 1 losses in UFC
3) Middleweight - Anderson Silva (31-4) 4 loss outside and 0 losses in UFC
4) Welterweight - George St. Pierre (22-2) 0 loss outside and 2 losses in UFC (although hes pretty much a career UFC fighter)
5) Lightweight - Frankie Edgar (14-1-1) 0 loss outside and 1 losses in UFC
6) Featherweight - Jose Aldo (20-1) 1 loss in Jungle Fight and 0 losses in UFC
7) Bantamweight - Dominick Cruz (19-1) 1 loss in WEC and 0 losses in UFC

 

They are indeed great businessmen but the acquisition of UFC by the Fertittas we very shady to say the least. Even the previous owners has pointed this out.

Lorenzo Fertitta was part of the athletic commission and I think was one of the guys who blocked its sanctioning. The Fertitta then bought out the promotion and suddenly UFC miraculously had sanctioned to showcase MMA.

If it werent for the Zuffa, UFC would not matter much but I think MMA would be healthier as a global sport without the UFC.

 

this.
MMA is the easy way to be fighter, losing only means L on you record.
in boxing one loss could end your career.

 

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It's a pity this site is not more actively moderated. A lot of good posters have gone due to the likes of Hendo, Puertoriccane and others.