People seem to always predict fights based on previous fights. OK we can't predict improvement, but we never seem to take this into consideration. It seems to me that in general we overlook possible improvement. For me that is small minded. We just assume Fighter A will come in like in the last fight, and Fighter B will to. Neither will improve or change for the upcoming fight and always will be the same as before. So we use the last fight as a guide for the future. An example would be the recent, Trout vs Alvarez fight. Many people before the fight picked Trout to win, they saw him as the more skilled operator. Many were saying Alvarez is a hype job. Yet nobody said, that Alvarez can improve at being at such a young age, and he can develop as a fighter. He may be young, but he is experienced. But equally nobody predicted this for Trout either. Most people thought they'd come in identically as the fight before. Alvarez showed new things in that Trout fight, his defence was improved for instance, he was making Trout miss. We may not be able to perfectly predict that improvement for an upcoming fight, but why do we overlook it, and why are we surprised when it happens during a fight? Why do we always seem to base of a fighters previous, especially younger fighters who are bound to grow and learn, it is a natural process that they will improve if they are good enough, but we never seem to take that into account. Is it the unknown? Is it because we don't see said fighters day in day out in the gym, growing, learning, developing, improving and that we only predict on what we have seen in the ring before from them? Why do we overlook possible improvement(s)?
its almost impossible to predict what improvements will be made. You can only really judge a fighter on what you have seen. Unless you have been in the gym and seem them spar its impossible to say "Fighter X" Also I think theirs so many factors that go into a boxing match and a boxer. You keep hearing boxers say that the sport is 90% mental. A fighter could perform **** because he didn't get enough sleep the night before, or he messed up making the weight. Take a fighter like Jeff Lacy. He didn't have any less ability. He had the potential to hit as hard and as fast as he was before. But after the Joe Calzaghe fight, and he wasn't fighter a better level of opponent. But mentally he was completely ****ed.
I think it's a good point,the reality is unless we know the fighters training habits the only improvements we can judge are physical strength,power,growing into weight. Nathan cleverly though is a case in point,he gets a hell of a lot of stick on here but I'm seeing vast improvements every time and I expect that to continue Another who is progressing rapidly with every fight is Ricky burns.2 obvious examples as world champions but I'm expecting to see the differences when they step up in class with hopefully burns-vazquez,cleverly-shumenov 2 men who have leaped through British,commonwealth,euro,world level
But its only natural fighters are going to get better if they are good enough and up to the task. We just assume every fighter will perform like the fight before. Some may be better, some may be worse. If we can only overlook possible improvements (like Jonsey said we cant 100% predict that) then we shouldnt be predicting fights.
I think predicting based on past fights is the most efficient way of doing it. You can't predict improvement in the gym, fighters improve but you don't regularly see journeyman improving to become title holders etc. Usually the talent is there and they improve gradually over a period of fights over a decent period of time.
Predicting a thing as unpredictable as a fight is pure guesswork anyway Two well matched fighters could fight several times and produce totally different styles and outcomes in their bouts
It's only unfair if you're picking a fight from years back when there's been a clear improvement since then.
It's all about the previous fights. Not so much the last performance but the trend that they have shown. When you start to predict fights based on the improvements you think they will gave made, you are in deep ****.
Exactly the same way we can't predict a fighter dipping or getting old overnight,it's impossible unless you have crystal balls.
Unless you're in the know, how can you possibly factor 'improvements' into your selections? Same when predicting any sport.
I'm not saying you can predict improvement on the money. I'm saying it gets overlooked. But the same can be said for predicting a result, that can't be on the money either, unless you are lucky. Its basically luck if a wild prediction like predicting a fight comes of. I'm sure some knowledge and experience plays a part, but there are so many variables. Its small minded to assume for every up and coming fight that both fighters will be exactly the same as before. Fighters improve as well as deprove, fighters are bound to grow and develop if they are good enough especially in the young/prime years. Yet we seem to assume everything is based on the last fight. That is really just an indication of form, yet one punch in the next fight could shock the world. Boxing is fine lines. Its a lottery when so many variables and possible outcomes exist, a fight can change in the blink of an eye, one that nobody sees coming. Its why the sport is great. It is unpredictable at its very best. Prime fighters up to the task are bound to get stronger, faster etc etc. If we overlook that when trying to predict a result of a fight, then why are we predicting the result? Shouldn't that be overlooked aswell if its just such a lottery? Why are we wasting time predicting fights, when we can just analyze them afterwards and put them aside. Finished. Why linger on the last fight unless there is an obvious decline or improvement? Boxing is always changing, evolving, we should just enjoy it to the max for what it is.
Who is "we" ? Most GOOD fight preview predictions explain what X has to improve on to beat Y, what mistakes he made in the past that he can't afford to make in the fight etc. the possibility/probability that X has improved and is yet to peak ... or that Y is unlikely to be as good as he once was.