Why do you dismiss Haye's chances against today HWs and then claim '70s HWs would...

...take the division by storm if they fought today?

I agree the Haye hype is getting out of hand but I can't understand why people seem to forget that Haye is exactly the size of an Ali, Foreman, Lyle, Norton, Holmes ecc... and there's no way we can prove the aforementioned names could hit harder than him, possessed better handspeed, could take a better punch (they were all stopped by 210lbs men, except for Ali).

And no, I'm not a Haye fan :think

 

This isn't the 70s is the best reason. With guys like Lewis, the Klits, McCline, Valuev, it's a whole different ballgame now, sizewise.

Several examples:

Wlad-Byrd
Wlad-Brock

Byrd would have whipped Haye incredibly easily in his heyday. It would be a rout.

Brock is/was an excellent fighter with very good tools.

Both men were simply too small to compete against the giants.

To me, Haye is the same thing. Very skilled, but anyone who was KO'd at cruiser is going to have enormous problems at HW. Too much size and power difference, IMO.

Haye's chin, also, isn't anywhere remotely close to an Ali's, Frazier's or Holyfield. If he had that, maybe he could compete at HW. But he doesn't.

 

Haye was not knocked out, he was exhausted.

Is his chin shakey at cruiserweight, I would say yes, will it improve at heavyweight? Perhaps his ability to take a punch will improve without his body being depleted from melting down into Cruiserweight

 

haye was not ko'd by carl thompson, it was exhaustion and his 11th pro fight against a fromer world champion who could bang with the best fo them.

his chin he said was due to loosing too much muscle and weight too quickly before fights. he will not have to do that at heavy.

but hey, we have yet to see a punch from a heavy land on him. i dont even think bonin threw any let alone landed.

 

Err.. because Haye isn't Mohamed Ali.

 

Because Haye's dominance at CW was based on his ability to squeeze a smaller HW's body down below 200lbs, meaning he was going to be the significantly bigger, stronger man against everyone he fought. At HW he's in a whole different world. He'll often be the smaller man, and Haye doesn't have the boxing skills to compensate for the loss of power/size advantage.

 

Haye had a goo amatuer pedigree, a lot of the fighters in the 70's besides Frazier,Ali,Foreman,Patterson did not...Haye was a good amatuer and his size difference is not off from the 70's so he would be a decent sized guy. Thing is you can not make the chin any stronger and getting hit by Foreman or Frazier is just as bad as getting hit by Vlauev,Vlad or McCline to mention a few giants...so if Hayes chin is suspect he would not excel in the 70's

 

It's not all about the size, in fact it's not even half of it. Let me tell you right now Ali does have better handpspeed, let's not compare Haye to the greats when all he has done at Heavy was beat Bonin.

 

Old fighters are always overated, Haye would stop guys like Marciano and Louis inside 6 rounds now, the size difference is crazy.

 

Fixed.

 

Has anyone noticed it's not Hayes Chin thats dodgy it's the back/top of his head.. watch his knock downs and you'll see Moremeck and Thompson both caught him there and dropped him.

That said I'd advise him to stear clear of Sam P!

but overall you have to remember the last 2 guys to be called the True HW champ Lewis & Wlad were\are both deemed to have dodgy chins (I don't agree with lewis) I see no reason why haye can't be as successful as them with a little bit of defensive fine tuning.

successful or not at heavy I think haye deserves credit for unifying a division with in 20 fights the kilts were still being spoon fed bums at that stage of their careers. only Povetkin(sp) of the recent batch is moving as rapidly as Haye.

And one things for sure you'll ALL be tuning in to watch him at heavy no matter what happens!

 

I think Foreman & Ali beat Wlad, Wlad beats Fraizer. Dont think Haye can beat Wlad, too much height and power.

 

Maybe because the 70's saw some of the most talented fighters the division has ever seen. What the **** has Haye accomplished? He beat up Enzo Crapinelli and now he's the second coming. The only thing he is phenomenal at is creating headlines and talking about himself on boxing websites 3 times a week.

 

Frazier beats Wlad IMO. Joe's pressure combined with power would send Wlad into a panic attack.