Why do you guys post turn of the century greats against modern fighters

Really?

The best punchers of his own era were never able to knock him off his feet yet Ali who is not noted as a puncher is not only going to KO him but KO him easily?

 

He doesn't look that bad to me.

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Are we talking heavyweights or all divisions as a 135 pounder is a 135 pounder.

Are we talking 12 rounds or twenty ?

Too many lose parts to the argument.

One thing is for sure; the human body did not evolve in 100 years so the same skill sets are there. Drugs are there today, definately. A Jeffries on steroids would be frightening. It's a question also of aptitude. Some of the greats of old can easily compete and dominate straight up, especially in the lighter weights. All could be competitive if we leveled the playing field and allowed them to adjust for today's game.

Jeffries like Butterbean ? Pretty uninformed assumption man. Jeffries crushed Corbett, older yes but still in excellent condition and Corbett had amazing legs, speed and stamina ..

 

Jeffries was certainly miles better than Butterbean. To say otherwise is absurd.

Still, there's no footage of Jeffries that shows anything particularly impressive. That training footage isn't conclusive at all. Showing him duck or slip a punch like that means nothing, most decent amateurs know how to do that too. And the nature of the old film makes assessing his speed, movement and smoothness basically impossible too.

I'm guessing he must have been good, very good. And if he were around today he'd be at least a decent heavyweight, but just where he'd land exactly on the ladder against the rest of the field is impossible to say.

 

I agree but it does show that he was not the joke that he is made out to be by many unknowledgeable fans.

Most decent amateurs should know how to do duck and slip a punch but most of today's heavyweights don't seem to. A lot of them are statues.

 

True.

 

which punchers.light-heavies or middles

 

Ali was rocked to his heels in round one by Doug Jones, a light heavy. He was dropped by Sonny Banks, a small heavy and basically knocked out by Henry Cooper, a 188 pounder ... He was dropped and almost KO'ed by a 204 pound Joe Frazier ... lets get real please ... ! It's not simply weight it's power and speed to deliver ...

 

Fighters like Jack Johnson, Langford, Jeffries, came from an era where technique and stamina were the key elements for a successful boxing career. Todays fighters are bigger, stronger, sometimes faster, but I'd argue slightly more protected.

Sure, it's almost like comparing Nascar racing today with Stockcar racing of yesterday.
However, I'll bet that a prime Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough or the Allison Brothers would whup a lot of the drivers today, especially with today's technology.

 

While Jeffries top flight opponents were all under 200 lbs it is some of them were prety serious punchers. That means that his chin probably stod up to stiffer tests than Ali (who was not a top end puncher) would throw at it.

For example if a man had taken Rocky Marciano's punches for 20 rounds then you would have serious doubts about Ali being able to KO him despite the fact that Ali is much heavier.

Make no mistake Jeffries was one durable SOB.

 

Nor do I. Nor do I see most of those guys struggling with middleweights the way Jeffries did.

 

Even in a match to the finish, I'm pretty sure that Ali would beat a peak Jeffries just as easily as Johnson beat the older one. After seeing how easily Johnson dropped him, I can't buy the iron chin thing.

 

i used to think the same but i studyed the old fighters and now i dont know why i ever thought that they had no chance

 

Just imagine you did though have modern cameras, colour footage with HD, all that with replays multiple angles and not the out of focus shitty footage we have of most of the old legends ?, it would im sure make a huge difference on most peoples opinions