Why do you guys post turn of the century greats against modern fighters

Ali most likely wouldn't have even knocked Jeffries down, much less out. If the fight is for 15 rounds, he wins a Chuvalo type decisionover him easily, but if it were for 45 rounds, Jeffries would have eventually caught him and brutalized him. Those guys back then were used to interminally long, gruelling tests of endurance..and the greats of modern times not so.

 

Sam Langford fought lightweights and welterweights, then gradually moved up to fight heavyweights. This man had the frame to make welterweight, but later had the strength, resilience and skill to compete effectively against the roughest and best 180-220lbs heavyweights. The guy was clearly a freak of nature and an elite technician, and you're telling me that he couldn't hold his own against the best the welterweight division can now offer, the flawed Cotto or the mediocre Berto? Come on man, think about it.

 

When the camera goes in close it shows that he is pretty good at slipping punches. Certainly as good as any modern heavyweight. I also think that his hands are held a lot higher than a lot of modern heavys, even though they do tend to drop from time. That footage is as good as anyone today, even though it is only sparring footage.

 

Of course men like Povetkin, Valuev, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Chambers, Arreola have huge muscles. Muscles win fights, right?

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Which fighter ever failed to land a single punch against ali?

Jeffries has already fought and KOd corbett who was unquestionably faster than the older version of Ali.

 

Are they all not modern day fighters currently ranked among the top 10 heavyweights?

One could make the case that the Klitschko brothers are too "evolved" for the past great heavyweights but the rest are evidently not, more like devolved.

 

If you were take the fighters from the 1920's, and before, and place them in a time machine; I don't think they would fare so well against fighters from the 30's and beyond. This is because boxing's techniques were clearly evolving even beyond the 1930's.

I think it is unfair to the pioneers of the sport to base their chances on what can be argued as undeveloped technique. If modern fighters were to live in the same time as the pioneers, their technique would have been similar to that era. The same is true in reverse. If Jeffries were born to pursue a boxing career in a different era, his technique would have been reflective of that time. If Jeffries were born in the 40's he may have been the 60's version of Ike Ibeabuchi, or he may have been its Chuvalo.

I don't think you could make Jack Johnson a favorite to defeat David Tua, if both fighters were the versions we have on film. I do think Johnson capable of defeating Tua if born in the same time period.

I don't do head to head scenarios of fighters I have little to no footage of. This is why I believe Harry Greb to be an incredible fighter, but don't analyze him on a head to head basis.

 

probably brian london.
ali was 30lb heavier was quicker,hit harder ,took a better punch.
besides ,corbett was well past his best when he got beat by mister jeff

 

What leads you to that belief, lets see:

Chin: Ali took shots from Shavers/Foreman, 2 of the hardest hitters ever, Jeffries took shots from an old MW. Ali may well be the hardest/heavest puncher Jeffries ever faced by virtue of him being far bigger and stronger than any man Jeffries ever faced

Stamina: Ali was very very fit, JEffries too was fit, Ali fought at a faster pace but would pace himself differently for a 45round fight

Attrition: Ali's superior skill would see Jeffries coming into those later rounds bruised battered and cut

Strength: ALi proved himself the strongest in clinches against the likes of Foreman/Liston/Frazier etc, Jeffries proved himself stronger than an old MW and a small CW

 

Butterbean would tear Jeffries a new backside. SIMPLE.

 

idiot.

 

I may have to rewatch the London fight, but i will bet that he lands a couple on Ali.

Corbett was never as far past his best as Ali was against Holmes, berbick and Spinks, to name just a few. I am not sure what taking a punch has to do with never being able to land a punch.

Mister Jeff landed plenty of times against Jack Johnson, and plenty of people say Jack JOhnson was better defensively than Muhammed Ali.

Ali may very well beat Jeffries (may not either). But one thing is for sure and i would bet my life on it. At some time during the fight, Jeffries will actually land a punch on Ali.

 

That is a bit like me using the Berbick fight to justify that Jeffries would beat Ali.