Why do you guys post turn of the century greats against modern fighters

I think there is a constancy to the human limit. Especially punching power. Throughout the ages that limit increases as knowledge of that area increase. Barring steroids, no human is exempt from that general limit, not even Fitz.

 

I think that power is something you are either born with or not.

The more you look into Fitzsimmons power the more frightning it becomes.

 

I dont really understand what is meant by Constancy. But either way, i think the statement is wrong. If you look at Mike Tyson's fights as the easiest and best examples, it gives you an indication of why as frightening as Fitz power is, it isnt unbelieveable.

When Tyson fought Frans Botha, his timing was out but he still hit Botha with plenty of heavy shots, yet the shot that felled him was a one punch KO. If power is constant, then why was this shot above everything else such a ko punch. Tyson had already put everything into early punches and land. The reason is of course timing of everything. Young Tyson would time more perfectly, more often, but it would often still take time to get it right. Tyson in his later career had less endurance and movement but he increased his power through weight training, yet his timing was not better and as such, his KO punch was not as good as when he younger, lighter and possibly not as strong.

Fitz is the same situation, he had good power, but it was his timing and ability to land which set him appart from others. And like young Tyson, he seemed to know when to land, probably because he fought a lot more often and therefore had the opportunity to learn a lot more than many modern fighters (Believe it or not modern Training techniques actually confirm this). In any case, the point is that timing is more of a key than actual power with Fitz. I think that this is the difference. Just because bigger guys hit harder, does not necesserilly mean that they hit better.

 

For the most point I agree. However my statement was regarding the very best pure punching power (ie. the ability to generate the most pounds of force with their best single punch.)

 

I think that most of the big behemoth modern fighters have more clubbing power and hitting strength, but i think that someone like Fitz or Joe Louis or Dempsey or Tyson has better pin point timing and therefore, even if they arent as strong, their actual best shots are better and harder and KO far more often.

One of the main reasons i am not sold on the modern weight lifting theories is that you can only get so powerful and after a while it doesnt really matter mostof the time. I think Muhammed Ali hit plenty hard enough, even though he was not an all time great hitter. I would rather see todays big fighters conentrate on speed training and endurance training, which are things which would be far more beneficial, imo. In some ways i think that the two Klitchskos seem to do this and in many ways their training habits are a bit of a throw back because they are always in shape. perhaps their dominance today is proof that the fitter older fighters would be successful today, as opposed to the opposite.