Why does a fighter always have to be "exposed" or some other ****?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Feb 9, 2008.


  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    After every single big fight on ESB, you come on here after to get a bit of talk about it, and you constantly read nonsense like "He was exposed" or "Another hype job". It's ****ing annoying. Are the days gone were a fighter could suffer a legitimate loss to another top class fighter, without being crucified for it afterwords?

    Wiliams put up a good fight against a tough opponent. He still looked god against margarito and would beat a lot of the other top class fighters today.

    Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if ESB was around in 1976? The internet would be going crazy with "MARVIN HAGLER IS A ****ING BUM GUYS!!!". Or if we were in 1963, you'd have idiots saying "DOUG JONES NEARLY BEAT CLAY, THIS GUY IS NOTHING!!!" and "CARLOS MONZON WILL NEVER BE ELITE!!!.

    Losing once is not the end of a guys career.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Quintana is not a top guy, he came into this fight as an 8/1 underdog. Not only did Williams lose, he looked very sloppy in the process. That's why people are saying he was exposed
     
  3. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    Those days apparently are gone.

    In the old days, when fighters fought more, it was expected I guess for them to lose.

    I see a loss as a good learning experience, personally.

    How well does a fighter learn and come back from it?
     
  4. Scorpion

    Scorpion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cus they are internet warriors.
     
  5. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree man. There is nothing wrong with losing with class. I still believe Paul can be a great champion. My only problem is on the other side of the spectrum. People believe just b/c a fighter is undefeated, they are great fighters. You have to look at the quality of opposition and see what they have been through in the ring that qualifies them as great.

    Examples are...

    1) ricky hatton-he never fought anyone great unless you include an old inactive Kosta and way passed his prime Castillo

    2) paul williams-great great great potential, but never fought anyone great besides an overrated margarito(but you still have to give him some credit)

    Now, Miguel Cotto on the other hand is legit. Many people thought he would be outclassed by Quintana, Paulie, Judah, and Mosley, but he fought brilliantly and always amazes people. he has shown he can recover from being hurt and adapt to different styles.

    Hatton doesnt possess the adapting quality and neither does williams.
     
  6. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    He's 'exposed' because many idiots were predicting him to be a future P4P star, not just a 'good contender', a ****ing STAR and a future ELITE.

    None of these idiots know how to analyse a fighter and it's a smack in their face instead of Williams himself.

    Nothing to do with losing either, if the fighter in a loss shows good qualities still. Williams is so hittable it's sickening, and Quintana literally is just a B LEVEL decent fighter who Cotto absolutely demolished, but these imbecile's had Williams as more a threat to Floyd than Cotto.
     
  7. Larson

    Larson Paenkhay Full Member

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    Paul Williams wasn't exposed. He just has no technique or boxing ability, add that he has no power and relies on volumes of punches to overwhelm his opponents. Add that he has no defense. He didn't throw enough punches tonight. That is why he lost.
     
  8. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    :good Couldn't agree more. Supposed elite fighters don't lose and look that sloppy against B level fighters.
     
  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Technically, he wasn't exposed, many of us had him figured out from the start.:yep
     
  10. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    sloppy isnt exposed

    besides williams just seems to throw non stop punches from all angles they are kinda assumed to be sloppy.

    i loved when people were saying hatton was exposed becuase he showed no defence :think
     
  11. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Williams wasn't exposed if you knew what he was.

    Good fighter with arguably the worst defense in all of the WW division. He beat Margarito after Margarito decided to take half the fight off.

    It's all in what you think of him. If you thought he was a future HOF then yeah, he was exposed. If you thought he was a GOOD fighter with severe flaws then you shouldn't be surprised at what happened tonight.
     
  12. TFFP

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    Well I hate to be a smart arse, but I've said he's overrated many a time with his pitter patter bull****

    That said, I predicted this one wrong, didn't think Quintana would be the man to end the hype
     
  13. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    cotto has defencive flaws and yet no one bats and eye.but 2 wieght world champion fits better than wbo title holder.;)

    we all know he was easy to hit we all knew he was sloppy. when he fought sham he just got double slapped any time he got close. what i am surprised about is that it was quintana to beat him. i wouldnt mind a full volume ACCURATE fighter but a slick boxer-boxer was not what most people were betting on.
     
  14. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    That's backlash . . . payback for the people HYPING the losing fighter especially those portraying their fighter as if he is immortal.

    :yep :rofl
     
  15. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Beautifully, beautifully put. :good

    Can you add in a paragraph about the idiocy of claiming that fighter C will be non-competitive with fighter A because fighter B beats fighter C first? Why should any fighter be "credited" for the actions of another fighter? I don't think it used to work that way.