Why does calzaghes resume get bagged, but roy jones gets a pass?

I said I was in contact with Thomas Hauser, who is a respected boxing writer. I have followed the careers of people like Don King and Bill Cayton which gave me alot of insight into the business side of boxing. According to you that is not enough? What do I have to do work in the boxing business as well, just to satisfy you or maybe I should just quote random court transcripts of the net?

What on earth are you going on about? I'm quoting your own post. Did Hopkins not expect to get 3m?

Here we go again. What is your source for that Larkin quote? What part of having to split the money with King and his opponents do you not understand?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2002-07-30-hopkins_x.htm

 

G-Man certainly had the power to blast Roy out.. and defeated Jones as an amateur as well..

I think the pro version of Roy ud's or even stops G-Man... He telegraphed a lot of his hard shots, there would be lots of opportunity for Jones' quick counter shots, I see G-Man eating too many...

Though that would be another great fight, G-Man would be just one punch away, but with that version of Roy, one punch is awful hard to land. Toney was a great counter puncher with a great defense, and only managed to clip Roy upstairs a couple times with anything meaningful. I saw a shot in round 5, had Toney had G-Man's power, I think would have knocked Roy out or put him down at the very least.

 

I'm good mate thanks, hope you feel better soon.

Yeah Bob knows what he's doing. I watched all of the build up, and Chavez Snr was more fired up than Jnr. Did you see the 24/7's? Having Freddie waiting around at 2am in the gym? He wasn't dedicated enough. Although I don't think it would have made much of a difference. Martinez would definitely win again.

You're right, Martinez hasn't got a lot of options at the moment, but I would absolutely love to see him fight Floyd at 154!

 

So you have no experience. You made a claim that you knew much more than me, but the reality is you have no more experience than I do. What's your contact with Thomas Hauser? Exhanged a few e-mails with him?

I know a lot about managing a premier league football team, I followed the careers of Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho, this has given me a lot of insight What a joke

No, you stated

And provided no source, that's pathetic

Jay Larkin's quoted in Calzaghe's autobiography from 2007 as saying the following while he was Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Events Programming:

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank ****** and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard.

We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money he would want if he did. The response we got was $3 million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said, 'Okay, done.' Frank ****** agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed, so as far as we were concerned all the parties were singing off the same hymn sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard.

Either that day or the next day, I'm just not certain about that particular timeframe, they came with a new demand: $6 million, double the sum that had been agreed. In addition to the Calzaghe fight, we had offered him $1 million to fight Morrade Hakkar, and the winner of that bout to fight Harry Simon. Then he would have had the bout with Joe but when he came back asking for $6 million, the deal blew up.

I thought that the Hopkins fight was a spectacular prospect, but it wasn't to be. Barnard's pretty shrewd, he's no dummy and has done a wonderful job of self-management in his career, but he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear. Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought more big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

This is from pages 197-198 of the paperback edition.


:rofl

 

Experience? What on earth are you going on about? I said I knew more about the business side than you. I never said I had more experience as a manager or a promoter

I havent a clue what you are going on about.

 

Ive posted it up already

 

Are you going to substantiate those claims about being in contact with Thomas Hauser? Or do we have to chalk it down to more bull**** from general zod?

You said you know more than me, I follow the sport as a fan, so I asked you what's your experience? In truth, you have none. Like me, what you know is what you've read on the internet and in books, and what you've seen on TV. So the reality is you know no more than anyone else on here, why is why you know look even more of a ****ing idiot :yep:yep

You claimed to know a great deal because you 'followed' King and Cayton's career

I have to admit, that made me laugh. As has been stated, you have no experience and know no more than anyone else on here about negotiations in boxing.

But you didn't in your first post, and that's what I called pathetic, and it was :deal

 

An old post of mine:

In other words your "source" is a Frank Warreen employee whose quote is taken from Calzaghe's own autobiography.

 

Thanks mate

Yeah, I was shocked at how poor Jr's training was, he has one of the best coaches in the world in Roach and he's messing him around, not taking it seriously. Training in his backyard and living room? You can't train properly in your house, you have to be in the gym! Sr seemed more motivated about the fight than Jr. The reality is Chavez is a B level fighter at best, Martinez is A level. Martinez would thrash him again

I'd love that fight! But Sergio is too big, it won't happen. His options are limited, stepping up to 168 would be a terrible move

Yeah I agree that G-Man would telegraph his big punches, but he had good speed and was huge! Do you think Jones could evade him consistently for 12 rounds? I think Jones was easily the better boxer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him dominate McClellan either, Roy was that good.

I think I know the punch you're talking about, was it a left hook from Toney? Jones dominated JT so decisively, that there was no rivalry or demand for a rematch, that was part of Roy's problem! Though I think if Toney was disciplined, he could have been a great LHW, and in the mix in the late 90's

 

And how on earth am I supposed to do that? Give you some of his emails? You can contact a lot of those guys via the net.

This has to be the worst form of reasoning I have ever come across. Is it not possible that I have READ more than you?

Are you not that one who posted up that dodgy court transcript on another thread to provide insight into the business side of boxing? Are you not that one who thinks it was fair for Reid to get 90K for a Calzaghe rematch because he got 90k for fighting Ottke?

your post I believe
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13558801&postcount=402

Because as we all know we can learn nothing from following the careers of guys who worked in boxing for decadesatsch

Bizarre

Bizarre. Where's that court transcript?

 

Manfredo and Mitchell comes to mind

 

So we can write this off as bull**** then. If you can't prove it, then don't make the claim

No, the worst form of reasoning would be your argument regarding Hatton-Tszyu. You follow the sport as a fan, same as most of us on here, you've never worked in boxing, end of.

Nobody questioned that court transcript but you, I wonder why? Because you didn't like what you read :|

So you have no experience in the sport, you've just followed it as a fan. Once again, I did warn you that you'd look an idiot if you couldn't back up your claims

Anyways, that's enough of you, you can respond but I'm not going to bother reading it

 

Opponents Calzaghe dominated:

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atschatsch:rofl:-tired:hi:

 

Bizarre. I met Lennox Lewis once back in the 90's. Can I prove it? No. Does that automatically make it a lie?

If I was claiming to be hanging out with the likes of Oscar, Tyson and co then fair enough, but swapping emails? Yeah, thats really worth lying about.

My argument was soild, which is why you couldn't debate with me about it Mr an imaginary title makes you a world class fighter.

Bizarre.
In other words unless I work in an industry than I cannot comment on it? I've never worked in Hollywood either, does that mean I cant express my views on movies? What about the more knowlegable posters here who have been following the sport for years? can we also dismiss their knowledge because they haven't worked in boxing?

Nice attempt at misdirection there

Arent you the guy who thought that Calzaghe chased Jones for 6-7 years. Even though he never fought in America and was fighting on a rival network? Real great insight there
A guy who thinks that a Frank Waarren employee is the most reliable source on Calzaghe-Hopkins